Korg Pa4x/nanoPAD2 issues and bad news!

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Korg Pa4x/nanoPAD2 issues and bad news!

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Many of you know that I always try to share my personal experience and workflow with these lovely keyboards. Lately I shared a video about the idea of using the nanoPAD2. I'm definitely going to put a link to this post in the video description area. Personally I love and use the nanoPAD2 with Virtual synths on regular basis, but if you're going to buy this controller just to use it with the Pa4x, then you should know what it can or can NOT do. I don't think this info is published in the manual just yet.


As you know with the latest/greatest/amazing OS2 update we can now connect korg nano/micro controllers directly to the Pa4x without using an adapter. This is a huge plus for live performance... According to the manual (also applicable to older models) we can use a DAW or Master Keyboard to "remotely" control certain features of the keyboard such as 'Selecting Styles, Sounds, Keyboard Sets and even SongBook entries! There's a list of midi commands available for each individual entry in the manual, so when I saw the official video I couldn't connect the nanoPad2 to the keyboard fast enough! In theory, we should be able to assign all these trigger pads to these commands and be able to instantly select our go to Styles, sounds.... . The pads are nice and big and the whole thing is smaller than a computer keyboard. Trust me, you WILL fall in love with it! Here's a pic of how it looks:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXRVUfMDWYc ... rkeyboards

It has 16 trigger pads and there's 4 scenes/pages...so you can potentially program up to 64 entries with an extremely easy to use Editor. On top of that you can save your programming and use different assignments for different gigs. Like you can have a special assignment for the Church, Wedding, Club.... . There's a lot more to this but you get the idea.

To make this connection work, you just make a small change to one of the Global Midi-In Channels on the Pa4x and that's it. First I experimented with doing something basic like triggering Start/Stop/Intros and Vars and it worked beautifully.

https://youtu.be/pz8LLCkdAyg


Though unless the keyboard is broken, nobody would want to just use the nanoPAD2 to trigger an Intro/Var/Fill because these Style Elements already have a dedicated button on the panel, right? so then I tried really hard to get it to control some useful features such as selecting Styles and such but it just didn't want to work. Like I would program the pads to select styles using the commands published in the manual, but the Pa4x just wouldn't respond at all.

To my surprise the final official answer from the tech support was that you can NOT program an individual Pad (on the nanoPAD2) to transmit CC00, CC32 and Program Change messages!!! So in order for me to use the nanoPAD2 to do something as simple as selecting a Sound, Style or a Keyboard Set......I would need to assign Pad#1 to CC00 , Pad#2 to CC32 and Pad#3 to program change. In other words:

1) You gotta waste at least 3 trigger pads to transmit a simple string of midi commands

2) You have to remember which 3 pad combination do what exactly...

3) You have to press 3 trigger pads to Select a Style (for example).

This is not reasonable. This is not practical....In fact this is the worst idea ever! It gets even worse. Apparently with the original nanoPAD you could assign all these commands to a single pad, but NOT with the nanoPAD2. Very very very strange indeed!

This whole idea had a great potential for sure. :(
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Post by Stilli »

Hi Sam,

Thank for the info which is indeed bad news. Unfortunately, I already purchased my Nanopad2, just haven't got round to playing with it yet and your post was very helpful.
Guess I'll find some other use for the pad, who knows?
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Yes this is definitely a wasted opportunity. I just didn't want to motivate people to part with their money for the wrong reasons. As far as the Pa4x/nanoPAD2 relationship goes, there isn't a whole lot that you can do in a way that actually makes sense. I mean if you can only send a single Program Change message to trigger a Var or anything that already has a labeled dedicated button, then why add a secondary controller to do the exact same thing! For anything else, you'd have to trigger bunch of pads so maybe the Pa4x will change a Style.

It's just odd that somebody thought it's a good idea to be able to assign one command per Pad.

I've been using the nanoPAD2 a lot with various soft synths. It's really a nice controller. Too bad...
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Sorry for the OT, but I was looking at the Nanopad2 to supplement the control of a module like the SD40, together with a regular keyboard that doesn't have extensive midi capability. Is this workable for a non-expert?
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Post by karmathanever »

@Sam
Appreciate your feedback on this...
What a shame that there was that half a second glimpse of a NanoPad being plugged into the PA4X in the OS version 2 promotional video.
I seriously thought it would work OK but other than notes and chords that's about it.
Maybe a future update????

Fortunately I already have a N2 which I use extensively with my Kronos.

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Bernie9 wrote:Sorry for the OT, but I was looking at the Nanopad2 to supplement the control of a module like the SD40, together with a regular keyboard that doesn't have extensive midi capability. Is this workable for a non-expert?
Hard to say anything without knowing what strings of commands the SD40 uses for a particular feature. In this case, you'd need to look up the manual and figure out what midi commands need to be used for remotely selecting a feature and based on that you'll know whether or not the nanoPAD2 can fit the criteria.

For example, if the SD40 or any other keyboard/sound module require a string of CC#0//CC#32/Program change with CC option selected (which is a popular format, then you won't find this controller useful at all.
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karmathanever wrote:...
What a shame that there was that half a second glimpse of a NanoPad being plugged into the PA4X in the OS version 2 promotional video.
I seriously thought it would work OK but other than notes and chords that's about it.
Maybe a future update????

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Yeah, that one second frame sounds very convincing!!!

One question though....Is the Pa4x now considered a "class-compliant midi device"? Is this USB midi connection also available for other plug and play midi controllers?
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Post by Bernie9 »

Thank you Sam
I get the picture pretty well concerning the command strings, but I will be make registrations in the module itself, and the command would be simple program changes and the like. The SD40 is the most sophisticated module to date and has multiple ports and full midi capability. I thought this might eliminate the need for a controller keyboard in addition to my Hammond SK1, for example.
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In that case, yes you could use the nanoPAD2 to send Program Change messages. I kind of do the same thing with Virtual synths. I create Combination/Layered patches and assigned them to a simple program change message. Then, I program the pads to the same PC message and trigger the sounds that way.
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Good news; thank you
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I wonder........considering that brief glimpse in the V2 promo video with no real follow up and looking at the conclusion here ....then also consider for one moment that something hot is stirring in the Yamaha stables and news has been slipping out from London for some weeks now and with the odd official hint here and there...so thinking like a fighting strategist from the korg camp I wonder if V2 is in actual fact only part of a greater piece of work and there is more to come ....if you notice the blank box's and spaces in various screen modes ??? and of coures timing is everything when a strategy is being played for... so are the clues there or is this wishful thinking ?......but then again if I was in charge of the accounts at korg then from a fiscal point of view this would make good sense to do so when a good strategy is planned........I wonder :)
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Hmmm.. thinking it might be fun to set up some chords on the N2 and see if I can use it in style play mode....

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D575 wrote:I wonder............
I doubt it. This is really not a Pa4x issue. The Pa4x completely understands and responds to the midi commands. The problem here is the nanoPAD2. If you're looking at it from the Pa4x user point of view, you can hardly do anything useful with it. The nanoPAD2 is been around for a while, so I'm not sure if there will be an update for it.

I'm wondering if the USB Host ports also support non-Korg midi controllers? If it does, then this connection will definitely be useful. We'll just use a different controller that CAN trigger a string of midi commands with a Pad. Otherwise it would be like a key remote for a car that doesn't unlock doors and only makes the car beep or something to that effect!
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Thanks Sam for your information this helped clear a few things up for me seems like an oversite there some where.... and great job done with your videos sam i have been taking a look at your work very useful and a great contribution on this forum :D
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D575 wrote:Thanks Sam for your information this helped clear a few things up for me seems like an oversite there some where.... and great job done with your videos sam i have been taking a look at your work very useful and a great contribution on this forum :D
Thank you very much
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