Trigger Vocal Track in Synch with Style in PA4X

[manouchehrmail]

Hello everyone,
I wonder how to trigger a solo vocal track while playing a style.
Let't say I have a solo vocal track in mp3 or wav format and I want to start it once I start playing a matching style with correct tempo.
I do not want to import the vocal track in my keyboard because I thing in 2023 there must be an easy way to do so. Maybe the 16 matrix pads in PA5X solve this problem but what about PA4X?
I would appreciate any suggestion.

Best Regards,
Manouchehr

[korgpask]

Record vocals to PAD

[manouchehrmail]

Hi,
thanks for sharing your idea but recording to one sigle PAD is not possible for a 3-4 Minute Song.

According to KORG PA specidication a maximum of 21.8 seconds is allowed for each sample. (even for PA4X !!!!)

This is what makes me so disappointed.

There is also this discussion but no real solution for such a situation:

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... 63d0e6f480

Any external gear / app could be used for this?

Regards,
Manouchehr

[patpsc]

I think it's easier to run Ableton Live or any DAW using a laptop to do it. The Lite or Intro version of Ableton Live should work fine. Cakewalk by Band Lab is also an option, and it's free.

[manouchehrmail]

Hello,
I do have a full license for Ableton Live Suite and I also have Cakewalk installed. The question is why would I need external system for such a simple task. The korg PA already has a built-in MP3 player board. All I need is a software update so that playing a MP3 track is possible with starting a style.
Is it really out of mind to play a style and start an audio track in sync?
I really wonder why noboady has ever complained about this.
To be honest, when I pay a couple of thousends of euros to have a proffetional arragnger, I do expect supporting such a simple feature.

The Yamaha Genos and some of new PSR models have such a feature called "audio link" such that you can assign up to 4 audio files to up to 4 different pads. Here is an example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mtlEHyFT5g
I am not sure if the length of those audio files are limmited by Yamaha or not. If someone has more info, please share.

By the way, to start an audio track in sync with my style, I would need a MIDI translator to translate the start message comming out of KORG PA to a custom start message in Ableton live (MIDI mapped).
I have a pro license of such MIDI translator programm called "Bome MIDI Translator Pro". I did not try this setup yet.

Again I need to say it is really irritating to add a laptop and a software system to the rig just to perform such a simple task.
Isn't it Korg? Do you read these forums at all?

Thanks for the reply anyway.
Best Regards,
Manouchehr

[BR]

Hello,
I do have a full license for Ableton Live Suite and I also have Cakewalk installed. The question is why would I need external system for such a simple task. The korg PA already has a built-in MP3 player board. All I need is a software update so that playing a MP3 track is possible with starting a style.
Is it really out of mind to play a style and start an audio track in sync?
I really wonder why noboady has ever complained about this.
To be honest, when I pay a couple of thousends of euros to have a proffetional arragnger, I do expect supporting such a simple feature.

The Yamaha Genos and some of new PSR models have such a feature called "audio link" such that you can assign up to 4 audio files to up to 4 different pads. Here is an example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mtlEHyFT5g
I am not sure if the length of those audio files are limmited by Yamaha or not. If someone has more info, please share.

By the way, to start an audio track in sync with my style, I would need a MIDI translator to translate the start message comming out of KORG PA to a custom start message in Ableton live (MIDI mapped).
I have a pro license of such MIDI translator programm called "Bome MIDI Translator Pro". I did not try this setup yet.

Again I need to say it is really irritating to add a laptop and a software system to the rig just to perform such a simple task.
Isn't it Korg? Do you read these forums at all?

Thanks for the reply anyway.
Best Regards,
Manouchehr

Hi Manouchehr,

I have one of those PSR and tried the audio link" assign to a pad.
The problem is that the Pad stops playing for 2 first beats (e.g 4/4 time signature) and restart from beat 3.
And beside that there should be a sync problem too between style and audio pad.
I don't say it's impossible to get a good result but it's a tedious job and it is not as easy as advertised.

[manouchehrmail]

Thank you BR for the update.
How about the length of the audio? Is it limmited with Yamaha Keyboards?
As mentioned before, Korg PADs are limitted to 21.8 Seconds.

Regards,
Manouchehr

[BR]

Thank you BR for the update.
How about the length of the audio? Is it limmited with Yamaha Keyboards?
As mentioned before, Korg PADs are limitted to 21.8 Seconds.

Regards,
Manouchehr

I did some search but unfortunately I didn't find any information about the length of the audio pad in the new Yamaha PSR-SX series.
The only info that I could find is below, from user's manual:

Creating a Multi Pad with Audio files
You can create a new Multi Pad by making the links with audio files (WAV format 44.1 kHz sample rate, 16 bit resolution) in the User drive and USB flash drive to each of the Multi Pads.
The audio files (WAV) can be data you’ve recorded on this instrument as well as commercially available ones.
Multi Pads to which audio files have been linked are called Audio Link Multi Pads.
The new Audio Link Multi Pads can be saved to the User drive or USB flash drive.

Hope that helps.

[manouchehrmail]

Thanks a lot BR,
I know there is no information about the length in the manual. That is why I asked in public if someone has done practical tests to share his experience please.
Unfortunately I do not have a Genos / PSR to test this.
Thanks anyway for the reply.

Regards,
Manouchehr

[BR]

Thanks a lot BR,
I know there is no information about the length in the manual. That is why I asked in public if someone has done practical tests to share his experience please.
Unfortunately I do not have a Genos / PSR to test this.
Thanks anyway for the reply.

Regards,
Manouchehr

You're welcome.
If I find some spare time (no promise... ) I'll give it a try and let you know how it goes.

[manouchehrmail]

Thank you so much.
By the way, the problem is solved in PA5X already.
It is shown in this video from minute 29 on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NmeXzieR4U

Amazing solution but how about PA4X? This is the question.

Best Regards,
Manouchehr

[BR]

Thank you so much.
By the way, the problem is solved in PA5X already.
It is shown in this video from minute 29 on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NmeXzieR4U

Amazing solution but how about PA4X? This is the question.

Best Regards,
Manouchehr

Thanks for the link.
I watched the video on minute 29.
If I understood correctly the demonstrator shows how to play 2 different styles in sync.
He doesn't show how to play in sync (in tempo) a mp3 or wave file with a style which you're looking for. Correct?
Or I maybe missed something?

PS: I kept watching the video and at minute 39 the demonstrator shows how to sync a style with a vocal, amazing feature.

[manouchehrmail]

He first shows how to play two styles together and then how to play a style in player one along with a mp3 in player two. Using the shift button and then starting player one, makes sure that both players start at the same time.
This begins from minute 29 in my youtube player

Of course you must make sure the tempo of style is correct for your mp3 file.

Now the question is if there is a workaround for older KORG PA models????

Best Regards,
Manouchehr

[manouchehrmail]

A nice person just did the test about limitation with yamaha audio link length of the wav files. There is no length limit for the audio.
You can read the comment bellow the following video (in German language):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fub6M3g ... kvN1UvNXWL