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guyus
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Post by guyus »

what about bass..
how do you guys come up with a nice sounding bassline?
on EMX? on ESX?

i mainly do drum&bass, dubstep and other electronical sound. i work on the EMX only and i usually just take a sound like the "88bass" with a lpf or bpf+ filter, add the EQ-effect to it and then try to distort it a bit with the "drive"-knob. sometimes i add a reverb but my EMX has some trouble with reverbing the lower frequencies...

but there's got to be enough other ways for basslines. would be very glad for some input!

thanks
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Post by Ruso »

modulation and motion sequences are your homies....

cross mod synth on low frequesncies with a nice filter modulations and sequenced knob movements can create some wicked distorted soundscapes
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Post by Setsonics »

Personally I use an external Synth for Basslines (A Microkorg), but I have had some luck with a nice triangle / sine wave filtered a bit.
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:arrow: Ruso: thats cool, thanks, i tried it out. but my modulation curve seems to be shifting. for example, when i use any modulation on let's say 1/16 or 1/8 it's way to random. it starts one time at the peak of the curve and the next time i press play it starts at the bottom. is this a bug? i haven't installed any servicepacks yet, can this be fixed? or is there maybe a way to set the modulation-curves more precisely? i hope you get what i mean, it's a bit difficult to put in words..

:arrow: Setsonics: i love the microkorg, but i don't own one myself. but i would do it the same if i had one.
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Post by Ruso »

I actually HATED my microkorg, it's a terrible glitchy synth :)

I do not see what you mean by modulations, it is a lil funky BUT it does what it's supposed to no problem.
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really? hmm i have never used it myself but i thought it was ok. but i'm going to listen carefully before i buy one :)

my problem with the modulation is like this: for example when i try to make a nice and wobbly bassline i use the modulation "cutoff" on some distorted low sound. i can determine the speed of the cutoff easily but i don't know how to determine exactly when, at which points of the beat the cutoff should peak. instead the cutoff modulation goes at the right speed but every time i press play again, the peaks and low marks are on another place until they reach the original point. this sucks, especially if i try to make a bassline that is a very important part of the rhythm.
there's got to be a way to tighten up that modulation!
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Post by funkster »

Ruso wrote:modulation and motion sequences are your homies....

cross mod synth on low frequesncies with a nice filter modulations and sequenced knob movements can create some wicked distorted soundscapes
Ruso, have you ever done a tutorial ont his sort of stuff, i.e sound creation on the EMX? The stuff you guys talk about sounds so cool but I get lost as I cant really follow it all...

I'd love a tutorial section for the EMX & ESX. Would be sweet man!
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guyus wrote:really? hmm i have never used it myself but i thought it was ok. but i'm going to listen carefully before i buy one :)

my problem with the modulation is like this: for example when i try to make a nice and wobbly bassline i use the modulation "cutoff" on some distorted low sound. i can determine the speed of the cutoff easily but i don't know how to determine exactly when, at which points of the beat the cutoff should peak. instead the cutoff modulation goes at the right speed but every time i press play again, the peaks and low marks are on another place until they reach the original point. this sucks, especially if i try to make a bassline that is a very important part of the rhythm.
there's got to be a way to tighten up that modulation!
thanks
I think you reffers to modulation using the triangle wave
This happens because this is the only waveform on the modulation section that not retrigger its cicle at each note
The other waveforms retriggers so you ever start the modulation at the same point (zero) from each note trigger
This implementation is because the saw, square and S&H waveforms has a more clear "rythmic" effect when modulate a parameter, beacuse all of them has quick changes in the amplitude of the modulation
But the triangle wavefor makes smooth changes more suited to create long and subtlke changes inducing some kind of ransomness while you playing...
Obviously it´s far from perfect...I think putting a menu parameter for modulation trigger ON/OFF would add a lot
If you want specific changes that goes with the beat and ever in the same point of the pattern use motion sequences instead...you can create much more accurate curves by using a software sequencer like ableton live and record them in your electribe
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guyus wrote:really? hmm i have never used it myself but i thought it was ok. but i'm going to listen carefully before i buy one :)

my problem with the modulation is like this: for example when i try to make a nice and wobbly bassline i use the modulation "cutoff" on some distorted low sound. i can determine the speed of the cutoff easily but i don't know how to determine exactly when, at which points of the beat the cutoff should peak. instead the cutoff modulation goes at the right speed but every time i press play again, the peaks and low marks are on another place until they reach the original point. this sucks, especially if i try to make a bassline that is a very important part of the rhythm.
there's got to be a way to tighten up that modulation!
thanks
you can also do the same thing using motion sequencing so you dont rely on the modulator

that way things will always line up correctly
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yeah, try to stay away from microkorgs
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anselmi wrote: This happens because this is the only waveform on the modulation section that not retrigger its cicle at each note
The other waveforms retriggers so you ever start the modulation at the...

is this true for the esx too?
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Post by Ruso »

the modulation panel is the same for emx and esx
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Post by plosive »

oh stfu.. there's nothing wrong with MK's. don't listen to those tools. far from it, they are great synths specially for the price. one of the best VA engines in existence. i personally would never want one (have a MS2000 anyways) but the 2 ppl that just said stay away from the MKs are clueless.

MK > Micron, but just as an FYI the Micron's price recently dropped as well keeping it competitive against the MK. Worth a look, but imo very lame to program...even with 3rd party software.

As far as creating some good bass on a EMX or ESX.. the same principals for creating good bass on any synth or sampler apply.
korgs: MS20, MS20 Mini, MS2000, KP1/KP3, Kaossilator, microX, padKontrol, DS-10+, Electribe ESX-1, ER1-MKII, Monotribe+midi
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Post by adamitron »

i <3 my microkorg.
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