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Dear all, I have been recording live music for a few years, mostly live guitars with piano roll drums (Not very expressive). I can actually play the drums but my shed does not have room or the isolation to accomodate such a spread. Anyway, I saw this new fangled device on Youtube where some guys were tapping their fingers on some pads and making real drum sounds! brilliant I thought, I must get me one! well, I've had it half a day so far, installed the drivers, tried running it in Sonar6 (My DAW) and even installed Live lite- which came with my Korg padKontrol but so far the only drum sound I have heard is the thump of my fingers on the pads! I know almost nothing of midi, virtual instruments ect so is there someone who can tell me how to make a kick drum, snare and high hat sound from this device which so far just displays a light show ?
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SvenVanBro
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don't let the idea of MIDI overwhelm you either.. it's actually a very very very simple thing to use for pracitcal uses.
here's a very basic run down on common application;
You have 16 channels 1-16. Channel 0 is often an "OMNI" channel which means it'll send and recieve on all channels. You have Out channels and In channels. You can set these up yourself to whatever you want w/ the PK. The most important part is that the MIDI In channel setting on your software matches the MIDI Out channel from the PK.
Each channel is independant. Any info sent over a channel is private to that channel so you can use all 16 channels at the same time for different reasons.
The most common information sent to and from midi controllers is Note ON/OFF and Continuous Controllers aka CC's. Note on/off goes unexplained... CC's are for controlling parameters.
The knobs and the X/Y pad send CC#'s.. the Pads send Note values.
By MIDI Standards (not that it's always adhere'd to) MIDI Drum channels are typically set to chan 10, but you can change that to whatever you want. This is important to note with Drum machine and Sampler plugins because by default they are often setup for channel 10.
Cabling wise, it's like Audio. Out goes to In. Thru is like a bypass so you can daisy chain devices without the need of extra interfaces and helps cut down on the needed # of cables if you have alot of equipment.
As for assigning CCs to your software.. it's best to just take a quick look @ the midi section of the app's helpfile. Typically via the host's help file, not the plugins.. though many plugins (especially those for pad kontrollers and beat programming) have their own MIDI features that are seperate from the host.
As for finding help/information... screw books, those will just confuse you because they go way into detail. As I said before, most ppl only use the very basics of MIDI and that is very easy to setup. I suggest googling sites of music production / hobbiest zines like Computer Music, Future Music, Keyboard Magazine, etc for tutorials on MIDI. A little Wiki reading on the subject would help you out too.
Anyways... get started with the basics.. Note on/off and CCs, choosing and setting up channels on both ends (software and hardware).. and eventually you'll become very comfortable as if asking yourself 'why didn't i get this before! easy!' down the line you might find yourself mucking with a few other things like Bulk dumps / sysex / etc.. but usually there are librarians (like the one that comes with the PK) that take care of this for you, so in your case you don't really need to know much about that anyways.
It honestly isn't very confusing or difficult to understand once you get going. Which you already have.. so you're already half way there
here's a very basic run down on common application;
You have 16 channels 1-16. Channel 0 is often an "OMNI" channel which means it'll send and recieve on all channels. You have Out channels and In channels. You can set these up yourself to whatever you want w/ the PK. The most important part is that the MIDI In channel setting on your software matches the MIDI Out channel from the PK.
Each channel is independant. Any info sent over a channel is private to that channel so you can use all 16 channels at the same time for different reasons.
The most common information sent to and from midi controllers is Note ON/OFF and Continuous Controllers aka CC's. Note on/off goes unexplained... CC's are for controlling parameters.
The knobs and the X/Y pad send CC#'s.. the Pads send Note values.
By MIDI Standards (not that it's always adhere'd to) MIDI Drum channels are typically set to chan 10, but you can change that to whatever you want. This is important to note with Drum machine and Sampler plugins because by default they are often setup for channel 10.
Cabling wise, it's like Audio. Out goes to In. Thru is like a bypass so you can daisy chain devices without the need of extra interfaces and helps cut down on the needed # of cables if you have alot of equipment.
As for assigning CCs to your software.. it's best to just take a quick look @ the midi section of the app's helpfile. Typically via the host's help file, not the plugins.. though many plugins (especially those for pad kontrollers and beat programming) have their own MIDI features that are seperate from the host.
As for finding help/information... screw books, those will just confuse you because they go way into detail. As I said before, most ppl only use the very basics of MIDI and that is very easy to setup. I suggest googling sites of music production / hobbiest zines like Computer Music, Future Music, Keyboard Magazine, etc for tutorials on MIDI. A little Wiki reading on the subject would help you out too.
Anyways... get started with the basics.. Note on/off and CCs, choosing and setting up channels on both ends (software and hardware).. and eventually you'll become very comfortable as if asking yourself 'why didn't i get this before! easy!' down the line you might find yourself mucking with a few other things like Bulk dumps / sysex / etc.. but usually there are librarians (like the one that comes with the PK) that take care of this for you, so in your case you don't really need to know much about that anyways.
It honestly isn't very confusing or difficult to understand once you get going. Which you already have.. so you're already half way there
korgs: MS20, MS20 Mini, MS2000, KP1/KP3, Kaossilator, microX, padKontrol, DS-10+, Electribe ESX-1, ER1-MKII, Monotribe+midi
Thanks plosive for the help and tips, your's seems a better way! the thing I'm grappling with now is moving from the ready made template that came with DFH superior (Good drum sounds) into setting up the same drums in my already recorded stuff, have not grasped the multi-channel instrument yet - one track for each thing you hit! but this is straying from the point. I also have another issue with the padKontroller where the manual says....
In case you haven’t noticed, the pads on your padKONTROL are really sensitive!
• Notice how you can hit the far corners of each pad, and still have the same response. This is
one of the subtle details that make the padKONTROL such a pleasure to use. You can still nail a
velocity of 127, just by hitting the very TIP of a corner.
Well the hit on the edge does not seem to work!
Core2 duo E6550@2.33GHz, 2Gb ram, ATIRadeon HD2400 pro (Two screens), M-Audio Firewire Audiophile, M-Audio Delta AP, Sonar 6, Korg padKONTROLLER, Behringer mixer.
In case you haven’t noticed, the pads on your padKONTROL are really sensitive!
• Notice how you can hit the far corners of each pad, and still have the same response. This is
one of the subtle details that make the padKONTROL such a pleasure to use. You can still nail a
velocity of 127, just by hitting the very TIP of a corner.
Well the hit on the edge does not seem to work!
Core2 duo E6550@2.33GHz, 2Gb ram, ATIRadeon HD2400 pro (Two screens), M-Audio Firewire Audiophile, M-Audio Delta AP, Sonar 6, Korg padKONTROLLER, Behringer mixer.
PadKontroller and Sonar7
Ok so I've figured out how to use my PK to make noises with all sorts of synths and ddddrums but now I want to use it to turn loops on and off, use the knobs to change EQ (Or even delay time) but having read the Sonar help and looked at the video's (They make it look so easy) still can't figure out how the hell the PK can control anything. I've been through this ACT stuff, pressed the buttons in all sorts of combinations and still when I want the transport to record or even play I just get the bass drum or whatever instrument the pad is controlling! Is there anyone who could pont me in the right direction?