Looping Help (Kaossilator)

Microfoot · Post by **Microfoot** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:38 am

I just got my Kaossilator yesterday and everything works great, the only problem I have is seamlessly looping a beat. 99% of the time I'll end up with a gap at the end of the loop because I can never time it right in order to not overlap with the start of the loop. Is there something the Kaossilator can do to fix this, or do I just have to keep practicing until I can get the timing right?

salamanderanagram · Post by **salamanderanagram** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:50 am

no the kaossilator will not correct your timing

i suggest playing along with drums. use a kaossilator drum loop if you have to.

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:23 am

You can get perfect timing by doing the following:

Press the Loop Record button to stop the loop.
Hold down the button, then keep holding it.

It will start recording when you press the XY pad, so it will be in perfect sync. Do the same thing as you add layers, and everything will stay in sync.

sherman · Post by **sherman** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:29 pm

Adjusting the tempo changes the length of the bars, but not what you've played. If there's a gap, you can adjust the tempo to get rid of it.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:49 am

Step 1.

repack and take the kaossilator back to the store you got it from for a full refund.

Step 2.

Go to your local Game Stop or EB store an buy a used nintendo DS for about $100. (if you already have a DS then you're ahead of the game)

Step 3.

Go to Hollywood Videos, Game Crazy or Frys or order on Amazon.com to get the Korg DS-10* software pack for the nintendo DS you just bought.

Step 4.

insert Korg DS 10* software pack into top slot of DS and turn Nintendo DS on.

Step 5.

Select Korg DS 10* on the touch screen menu

Step 6.

Select single player and then a single slot to work in.

Step 7.

go thru all of the options and use the touch screen to edit sounds and effects of your synth sound

Step 8.

Choose Kaoss pad in the menu, and play around with the kaoss pad option.

Step 9.

read the manual to learn how to record/loop and edit the time loop in the setting of your synth.

Step 10.

Repeat steps 7 through 9 for drums

Step 11.

Have fun/enjoy and post your findings and youtube videos on this thread:

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=39343

* also known as the Kaossilator Killer!

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:22 am

So SMK, do you actually own a Kaossilator?

I keep searching for an example of the DS 10 that demonstrates any signficant bass thump below 120Hz, but I have yet to find a single example. I think I've heard all the stuff on youtube and on the www.korgds10synthesizer.com site. No bass. Sound's like a cheap nintendo with a cool xox sequencer, but also no midi.

At least the Kaossilator can thump bass all the way down to the subsonic. Using a stylus isn't an advantage either, it's a huge drawback.

You may be missing the fact that the Kaossilator actually SOUNDS GOOD. I'm willing to be convinced that the DS-10 can sound better than super nintendo donkey kong, but I haven't heard it yet.

When I want xox sequencing, the EMX-1 seems to blow away the DS-10 in every respect, and it can rock the bass too.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:34 pm

xmlguy wrote:So SMK, do you actually own a Kaossilator?

I keep searching for an example of the DS 10 that demonstrates any signficant bass thump below 120Hz, but I have yet to find a single example. I think I've heard all the stuff on youtube and on the www.korgds10synthesizer.com site. No bass. Sound's like a cheap nintendo with a cool xox sequencer, but also no midi.

At least the Kaossilator can thump bass all the way down to the subsonic. Using a stylus isn't an advantage either, it's a huge drawback.

You may be missing the fact that the Kaossilator actually SOUNDS GOOD. I'm willing to be convinced that the DS-10 can sound better than super nintendo donkey kong, but I haven't heard it yet.

When I want xox sequencing, the EMX-1 seems to blow away the DS-10 in every respect, and it can rock the bass too.

hahahaha, Sorry Xmlguy, that's just my crazy sense of humor...it was not suppose to be taken seriously, however I will tell you that those few who do actually have the korg ds-10 will get a good laugh because there is a bit of truth in my comment.

First off the stuff from the www.korgds10synthesizer.com site is horrid. It was so bad I almost regretted ditching the Kaossilator. It was so bad I actually called the company and their marketing supervisor. The guy laughed and told me the samples were made by an in-house tech who plays guitar. So no the korgds10 site is not the place to go to get get all amped about getting this set-up.

I really wanted to like the DS-10 (this is before I purchased it) and so I spent long late night hours hunting on youtube for some glimmer of hope. sure enough I was pleasantly surprised.

On the link I gave you on my comment, you will find the best out there on youtube using the DS-10. I posted a bunch of links in my DS-10 thread.
Here's a few with real deep base.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUI5ZW2Lhh8&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJYTGJkc ... re=related

Bare in mind these guys are posting this on you tube but the actual sound is 24bit and is absolutely amazing. I played my cuts through my friends car stereo system, and the car was just booming actually louder and deeper than what we expected.

When I record this stuff to the computer I put it thru the mixer and make the proper EQ adjustments that make it even sound better.

This thing can do everything the Kaossilator can do and more. I found the KAossilater to be quite fiddily and limited in the fact I couldn't really create my ouwn sounds and save settings patches or anything. And yes it's a pain to perform any type of reliable looping action. It really was just a toy.

But hey it all depends on how your want to work. The DS can be a bit much because what you really have are 2 modeled analog sythn complete with drum machine and Kaoss pad which BTW allows you to not only change key and scale (like kaossilator) but also change the X-Y functions of what effects it uses independently...something that non of our Kaoss based products allow you to do, save for using the KP3 as a midi controller. Most of all, I can go back to the idea I was building and make and save changes. Looping is painless because of the step sequencing options.

You do have to spend the time to create your own sounds and saving them. Also there's a way to transfer settings to your computer (storage) which is a bit complicated but worth learning if you really want to get the full benefits of this.

So in that regard the Kaossilator is a better deal in that everything is all pre-made for you ready to go.

For me I like more control and flexibility, so back to the store the kaossilator went and hello Korg DS-10!

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:51 pm

Do you know if the DS 10 has the ability to change the key/scale dynamically, so you can do chord progressions on the fly?

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:28 am

xmlguy wrote:Do you know if the DS 10 has the ability to change the key/scale dynamically, so you can do chord progressions on the fly?

Chords? I don't remember the Kaossilator being polyphonic. I just remember I didn't care for how it sounded.

The DS allows you to choose what ever key you want and then at what type of scale (and there are plenty of scales to choose from).

You can then play the scale on the pad setting (you can use your finger for this) and record it to loop over. and if for some reason you didn't like how the loop was set you can edit the loop in the sequencing feature like on your electribes. It's just that the editing features and settings are smoother with the dual screens. You can even choose what keys to sequence and it's a full keyboard BTW.

With kaossilator it's just too fiddely and unreliable for my tastes and the DS-10 takes half the time it takes to use an electribe to create something.

Every tool has it's advantages and disadvantages. with the kaossilator the advantage is, you have pre-made sounds ready to go and I'm guessing now that it's polyphonic if it does chords...3 or 4 buttons to run everything is a little tough especially with no save or editing features. The electribe is a great tool altogether with it's strengths in being able to control effects on the instant while its weaknesses show up in the special midi protocols, step sequencer being multiple function with sub-menus, and that the sound quality is still not up to par and is where the kaossilator trumps it by being 24 bit.

The DS-10 is literally the best of both worlds (between the kaossilator and a non sampling electribe). When it comes to convenience and portability the DS-10 wins over any electribe. But the comparison was against the Kaossilator which aside from any polyphonic capabilities Kaossilator just does not compare to the ease and function as well as creative flexibility of the Korg DS-10.

plosive · Post by **plosive** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:14 am

i havent touched my kaossilator more than a handful of times since i got the DS-10. it just has so many more features, like the mentioned X/Y param assignment that the KO should've had. it's mostly just a different beast though. the KO still has it's place, and since it's always new everytime you turn it on and based on destructive loop layering.. you can definitely have alot of fun sitting with it and come up with some good loops to sample for later use

alot of the demos you hear that sound like "nintendo" (whatever that means.. suppose you mean chiptuney) is because of the ppl using it not doing much more than using a basic patch. there are several demos out there that demonstrate more of it's range, it's an awesome synth. but there's the catch, not everyone knows their way around a synth.

here's a demo i did doing some drum and bass, just to show off it has more range: http://www.vimeo.com/1484434

you lose some bass in the conversion b/c the audio quality isn't all that perfect, but at least its better than youtube.

toomanyKORGs · Post by **toomanyKORGs** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:32 am

cool video

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:08 am

Damn you all to hell. Just kidding. Now I've got to buy a DS-10 instead of some other goodies for Christmas. Crap. I think there goes that shotgun or rifle off my wishlist.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:06 pm

plosive wrote:i havent touched my kaossilator more than a handful of times since i got the DS-10. it just has so many more features, like the mentioned X/Y param assignment that the KO should've had. it's mostly just a different beast though. the KO still has it's place, and since it's always new everytime you turn it on and based on destructive loop layering.. you can definitely have alot of fun sitting with it and come up with some good loops to sample for later use

alot of the demos you hear that sound like "nintendo" (whatever that means.. suppose you mean chiptuney) is because of the ppl using it not doing much more than using a basic patch. there are several demos out there that demonstrate more of it's range, it's an awesome synth. but there's the catch, not everyone knows their way around a synth.

here's a demo i did doing some drum and bass, just to show off it has more range: http://www.vimeo.com/1484434

you lose some bass in the conversion b/c the audio quality isn't all that perfect, but at least its better than youtube.

Good stuff, very inspiring. I posted your link on my thread on dedicated to the DS-10

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=39343

Is there anyway you can post there and talk about how got some of those kool bass sounds?

I'm hoping we can get a dedicated forum/section here dedicated to the DS-10, but there doesn't seem to be enough members here who have got into it yet.

However I do believe we have a new convert into the fold hahaha

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:12 pm

Well, I picked up the DS lite. Haven't found the DS-10 locally yet, but I'll probably just order it online.

SMK · Post by **SMK** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:46 pm

Fry's has them if they are not sold out and I got mine at a place in the Hollywood Video store called Game Crazy.

Amazon.com Is a good bet.