Fender Telecaster input

bigdaddyscondition · Post by **bigdaddyscondition** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:02 am

I want to overdub electric guitar tracks on keyboard and drum tracks. Can I run my Telecaster through my Korg ToneWorks Pandora PX4D multi-effects processor and then into the audio input of my M3 module?

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:01 am

The M3 doesn't provide proper multi-track digital recorder capability. It wasn't designed for it.

Best way in my opinion would be to use a computer based sequencer package with both MIDI and audio track sequencing and editing capabilities. For example, I'm just starting to use Cakewalk Sonar v8 on a Windows XP laptop, in conjunction with both my M3 and my Pa2x (which I record using MIDI tracks via MIDI over USB) and with live vocals and guitar recordings (which I record using AUDIO tracks).

Regards,
Rob

Stefanus Wayanartha · Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:01 am

how if we combine it with sampling and sequencer to record the input audio to M3's RAM, and play it with M3's internal sequencer?

Rob Sherratt · Post by **Rob Sherratt** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:23 am

Stefanus Wayanartha wrote:how if we combine it with sampling and sequencer to record the input audio to M3's RAM, and play it with M3's internal sequencer?

How do you playback and cue control (start stop rewind pause) audio using the M3 MIDI sequencer? It doesn't have that capability.

Stefanus Wayanartha · Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:17 pm

....ow...so that's the problem....i see....

Daz · Post by **Daz** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:02 pm

Check out In-Track Sampling in the Operation guide. As Rob says it's not full on multitrack audio recording, but it is quite powerful and worth a try before investing in other gear. If you just want a simple audio recording mechanism you'll find it very useful. Just be sure to check that you have a decent amount of free sample memory before starting. About the only problem I had when trying this on the M3 was the awkwardness of saving your work, because the M3 didn't seem to be happy about saving the sample data a second time around.

Daz.

ktippets · Post by **ktippets** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:28 pm

I have found the in-track sampling to be a great way to record audio along with my midi tracks on the M3. I have recorded and mixed down entire songs in the Korg using it's internal sounds and in-track sampling. It is definately not as convenient as computer based recording, but I have found it to work well for short audio parts that I want to mix in with my other sequencer tracks. I suggest you search the Korg forum for in-track sampling. The threads that you find for the Triton will work nearly the same on the M3. And Daz is right that saving and reloading your work is awkward, but the manual has some basic information and the Triton forums should have plently of old threads on this topic. Learning how to make this work was half the fun for me...

Daz · Post by **Daz** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:15 pm

What I didn't quite get with saving was how you handled the second and subsequent saves, whilst you're working on a project. What's the best approach for that ?

ktippets · Post by **ktippets** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:34 pm

I create a directory for all the data from that song where I save both the sequence data (.SNG) and the sampling data (.KSC, .KMP, and .KSF). I have had the best success in always loading the KSC file, which loads all the sampling data to it's proper place. After a new session for a song (a second session or more) I save into the same directory and use the same file names - overwriting all previous data. The key for me seems to be the KSC file, which associates all samples and multisamples with that project. It can get tricky if you load in multiple songs with multiple KSC files...

Daz · Post by **Daz** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:44 pm

I don't think it allows you to save that sample data again over the top of the existing data. If you're one of those people that likes to save regularly as you work on a project, that's key

As you're working on a track you get to add more samples to your multisamples as you do more in-track sampling, but it won't let you save those unless you save to a different folder or kill the entire folder first.

ktippets · Post by **ktippets** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:32 pm

I am writing this from memory (MY memory which is not so good...) and I think you are correct Daz. You can overwrite the basic sequence file (.SNG), but the previous sample file (.KSC) either has to be deleted and resaved OR you can save a new one. I tend to get overtaken by multiple versions of the same song so I favor deleting the old .KSC file and saving a new one, always saving it to my project directory.

Truthfully, I do use desktop computer based recording for bigger projects, but I have learned to use in-track sampling for projects using limited audio and sometimes use it for on-location projects where I am not going to drag along a computer. I like in-track sampling for trying ideas spur of the moment.

Daz · Post by **Daz** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:07 pm

Thanks K. That fits my memory of it too ... which is not always that good either

So if anyone is using this mechanism, look out for this little oddity as you're working. And don't forget to save your samples as well as your song file before turning off the M3

bigdaddyscondition · Post by **bigdaddyscondition** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:29 am

Thanks to everyone for the advice. I have some homework to do.