I don't understand the user bank system ?

[Aussie-Andy]

Please be patient if you've heard this question before, but I'm a recent convert to Korg. On my old Fantom there was a dedicated bank for 128 patches, or programs in Korg-speak, you did not have to overwrite any of the factory presets. 32 unused programs hardly seems enough, I suppose you can overwrite any factory presets you don't like. Which you couldn't on a Roland, so in that sense there is potentially more room on a Korg for saving your own sounds. Seems a shame to delete all the fine work of the Korg programmers. Now I know you can restore, save or back-up files, it just still makes more sense to me to just have a free bank of 128 programs.

Not a big deal or limitation either way, just curious to hear from more experienced Korg users as to what advantages this approach has.

[pictobug]

Just to join in on the confusion, I'm puzzled as to why, when you browse the sounds according to category, you get so far then there are 3 or 4 sounds that just repeat to the end of the list, which confused the hell out of me.

[aaronpico]

Just to join in on the confusion, I'm puzzled as to why, when you browse the sounds according to category, you get so far then there are 3 or 4 sounds that just repeat to the end of the list, which confused the hell out of me.

I noticed that same thing; so, are the "spaces" occupied by the duplicates available to be overwritten?

[klarnet basowy]

The Roland system to have a dedicated user bank (like in ex-my JP8000, where there are 128 user patches totally unrelated to the preset patches) is very smart and the most obvious. For a strange reason, Korg don't use this philosophy ("I am in preset patches, click a button and I'm in separated user patches"), and often you have to overwrite the presets, except with Triton Studio and Extreme and M50. But M50 has very few space for user patches. Ok, you can save your own patches on the card but... it is so difficult to have a button that enter in user patches with the same banks of presets, while presets remains where they are?

[Synastikki]

I noticed that same thing; so, are the "spaces" occupied by the duplicates available to be overwritten?

First of all I'm a Triton user but most of this stuff is the same for M50 so I'm writing it here.

The thing on korgs is the overwriting... You can overwrite any of the patches (except the general midi bank) on any Korg Workstation.
I overwrite the factory patches all the time because I can anytime have them back and I try to overwrite the ones that I will not use anyway first.
Of course I would love to have a favourites/live bank on my board, but when there isn't you just have to live with it There are also like 10 different ways to set up your sounds even without the favourites bank so I'm not really that worried about that.

The biggest advantage in my opinion on this one is that you can actually fill the keyboard with just that type of sounds that you need. Especially if you use same kind of sound with many different tweakings or something like that it is very good thing to have big patch-storage.
Playing live I use the "Rudess-method" (not really the name, but the guy uses it so I tend to call it that) in which I have all the patches I need in COMBI-mode set up one after another and I just step through the sounds and songs with a pedal set up as "Program up". This way my bands 30minute setlist (I know it's short but we're having a huge composing going on so it will be much longer ) takes about 70 combis which start from A000. I'm not sure but for example my basic strings-combi is there about 15-20 times or something like that So if you're thinking of playing a 1,5 hour gig or something like that, you might have 200-250 Combi's to go through in one night. This means that your one show combi-list will take over half of your combi-memory (Triton Classic has 4 combi-banks) and in this case it is really good to have all the patches overwritable in your keyboard.