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New Linux / OPEN Systems on the way.

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Hi guys.

Ok so there was some hinting from me yesterday regarding a new instrument that was truly an open system and that generated some excitement. Sorry to all those who PM'ed me and I didn't answer. I wanted to do this right and rather than posting bits of information on the forum, I was hoping to get you all some sort of an exclusive and indeed that's what you will get.

The actual developer will join the forum later today and actually answer your questions. :-)

OK... here goes, I'll tell you what I'm comfortable talking about and I'll then hand it over to you guys and the actual developer.

The company behind all this is an Italian Company called Lionstracs. They already produce a Linix based keyboard called the Mediastation which is an Arranger Keyboard / Workstation / VSTi Multi Host. For a number of reason I've always felt that the concept was directed at the wrong people because ( and no disrespect to arranger users) arranger users are a different breed with very different needs, but we won't go into that here. The important thing here is that the new products are cut away from that side of things and are directed squarely at the likes of us, the workstation and DAW users. The systems Lionstracs offer in this area are also considered to be well developed.

There are a number of new keyboards and rack units on the way. The keyboards range from a 61 Groove and Groove DJ keyboards( I believe this is a 49 key unit but I could be wrong) right out to the full 88 Stage Pianos too. With the rack units you have a 2U and a 4U designs. (obviously the release of every item will take a while, but I believe the Groove Keyboards are almost ready).

There are two type of screens used across the designs, some are 800X600 8 Inch displays and others are 260X64 sized displays (same shape as KORG 01). The 4 Unit Rack actually has both displays. You have the 8 Inch on the left side and in the top right you have the 260X64 size which glows Blue with White writing. Both are Touch Screen too.

For the front panel controls I believe this will vary, but as far as I'm aware in all cases you get Rotary Encoders. I believe some keyboards come with sliders but the racks only have the encoders. The buttons on all the units all illuminate and can all do two colours, orange and green.

Connectivity is partly what you would expect from a true open keyboard which means Yes you can do things like connect your Monitor to the back of the keyboard and so on. The other connectivity varies for different products and I don't have all the details, but from the 2U rack you can expect 4 assignable pedal connections and dual midi I/O. Twin L&R Audio outs too. The 4U rack on the other hand has 40 audio connections on the back, 20 I/O. You also get things like 8 Midi I/O too. I can't remember the other details on that right now though.

All the systems are truly fully open, meaning you can technically run any VSTi you want on it. I think it's important to understand that there is also a difference here between the Lionstracs products and the likes of Music Receptor or SM Pro Audio's V-Rack and V-Machine. While they are open systems too, you can't install what you want on them. You have to wait until compatibility is added, or in the case with SM Pro Aduio you have to use a PC running an application called VFX to load the VSTi's onto the V-Rack/V-Machine devices and even at that you need an additional wizard file for most plugins to get them working.

Where with the Lionstracs products open means you don't need wizard files and you can install whatever you want and in addition to that you have full access to the actual plugins.

From the VSTi side of things you can run up to 8 Hosts at the same time where I believe windows can only run 1 so there are additional possibilities here over the likes of a Neko / Miko from that point of view. I don't know enough about this to comment though, so I'll leave that to the developer to explain how it's been streamlined through their custom software.

From a price point of view, I believe that all the units will be very competitive. If you were to go on the price of the existing Mediastation and to go all out by pick the most expensive and most powerful 76 model you could buy, your still looking at under 3K for the highest model. So time will tell, and all this looks to be hotting up to be something very interesting indeed.

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Post by EvilDragon »

Bloody amazing, Sharp!

I kinda knew it it was Lionstracs all along.


The most important things for gigging musicians you didn't tell:

1. weight and dimensions
2. number of pedals attachable
3. seamless patch switching? :)


Other than that, what an exclusive!
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Awesome. Only thing needed is a couple of pics, so Dj and I can choke on drool LOL.

Amazing stuff. I can't wait to load up a drawbar organ vst.

I wonder if we'll be able to make a combi with different vst's. That'll be outstanding.
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Hi James
thanks for posting this news on your forums.
How you already saw some prototype pictures, I will try to explain a little better of the all new products ( about 10 new products) that we have in production.

The first 4 products are the new GROOVE keyboards and Expanders.
1) GROOVE X6= is a new compact mediastation model with 61 keys TP9 Fatar, measure only: 97X37X15 Cm, about 20kg, front pannel and bottom case are color BLACK, with WITHE graphics.
X6 include: AM3 CPU, 2Gb RAM, 250Sata HD, WHEELS version ( no Card reader on front.

2) GROOVE X6 Y= same as the X6, but RED front pannel with Black graphics and BLACK bottom case.
This model include: AM3 CPU 3.0Ghz, 4Gb Ram, 500 Gb Sata HD, Joystick version with Card reader integrated on front side.

3) GROOVE X6 D: same as the X6 version BUT NO Fatar keyboard, is used as Expander, measure only 97X25X15 Cm, about 16Kg, all BLACK with WITHE Graphics.

4) GROOVE DJ: same as the X6 D version, BUT are covered a lot of keys functions used for the TONE manager and VST/ASIO Hosts.
This is configured as Audio-Midi-Karaoke DJ Multimedia players, will be released with a new Players OS that include BPM Match, Scratch and Vinily features.

All this new products include also the new Geforce VGA-LVDS card,512Mb ram, with the Open GL 3.0 support, is about 10 faster redrawing as the MS PCI VGA card.
One example for understand: the B4 II ASIO version, on MS VGA will open is about 2-3 seconds, on geforce VGA-LVDS card in about 0.5 SEC! ( ready to play)

From tomorrow we start assembly this products and maybe for this saturday you will see online on our web pages the all new pictures.

Now about the others NEW products:

ES8= Ebony stage 88 keys, based on TP9 Fatar, new Atom Dualcore 330 CPU, new USB pannel navigation with 7 Encodrs, 18 double colors keys functions and 240X64 Touch screen display, 80Gb Sata HD. 2 Stereo OUTS, 1 Phones OUT, 2x2 midi I/O, 4 programmable Foot pedals ( can be switch Or Volumes pedal)
Measure: 123X36X9.5 Cm, about 17 Kg!!

ES7= Ebony Stage 76 keys, same as the 88 version, but with 76 TP9 Fatar keys.

ER2= Ebony Rack 2 U version, same system as before BUT with a standard mATX AM3 Mainboard for full power.

This all Ebony products are based on Linux OS, with embedded the Linuxsampler Streaming system, for play in realtime GIGASTUDIO GIG samples library.
The whole OS is around 100 Mb, ONLY the Kernel, Linuxsampler engine and the USB engine-interface.
NO KDE and the all others standard Ubuntu tools, a totally new simple Linux embedded OS.

With the same hardware system we have also developed the other new products:

VAS4= Vasio Synth lead, with 49 keys TP9 Fatar, Atom Dualcore 330, Hd Sata,... really Compact! 68X36X9.5 Cm, about 12 Kg!!

VAS6= Vasio synth Lead with 61 keys TP9 Fatar, Atom Dualcore 330, HD Sata.

VAS2= Vasio synth Lead RACK 2 U version, with AM3 CPU!

Vasio products will work always under Linux, only the basic Kernel and simple X interface for running the Wine ( windows emulator)
Vasio can run in realtime Up to 4 ASIO Host for play in realtime multiple VST/ASIO, without Close/Load VST Plugins.
the new system OS can run up the all asio host without display the original windows GUI interface, the front pannel USB can full control the all VST and Hosts.
IF you like, you can also connect one external display: 10", 12", 15", 17", 19", 22"...TFT and touch screen display for editing in realtime the all features of the original GUI.

On Live stage, you can use the Vasio Synh lead for play Lead the desidered VST/ASIO host and IF you like, to add close the keyboard the external display ( is just one option)

We will also develope a new Music sheet stand for fit on TOP this all TFT display, with the standard VESA holes.

Ok... for now I think is enough...I will continue post info after your request.
On the next days you will see the first real pictures online.

thanks again...to james too!
cheers
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I'm interested in US distribution and pricing as well.

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Just visited their website. This was posted there... quite a claim:

WHY MEDIASTATION? Because is the RIGHT keyboard investment for the future that never can be DISCONTINUED like others keyboards BUT in continue software features developement! The true value of one product is NOT only based on the hardware BUT on the OS multifunctions and Multitask software installed.
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Post by Sharp »

Synthoid wrote:Just visited their website. This was posted there... quite a claim:

WHY MEDIASTATION? Because is the RIGHT keyboard investment for the future that never can be DISCONTINUED like others keyboards BUT in continue software features developement! The true value of one product is NOT only based on the hardware BUT on the OS multifunctions and Multitask software installed.
From what I gather the way that works is that the system can grow with the advances in CPU Speeds, Motherboards and RAM.

So in let say 5 years from now you might need more power to run the latest VSTi's so you would take out the motherboard, CPU and RAM and instal the latest off the shelf parts to bring your keyboard up-to-date again.

What might push you to do that too is the actual OS updates from Lionstracs. Because the OS development would be continuous, there may come a time that you will need to install a faster CPU in order to get advantages of the new systems. I believe this has already happened already with the Mediastation.

So you are not really ever changing your keyboard. It's a combination of OS upgrades and in time if you want to keep up, you might go for a new mother board which is a standard off the shelf ATX motherboard. Not expensive custom hardware.

Quite hard to get your head around the fact that it might be the last keyboard you ever buy because you can just keep upgrading it when needed. :shock: Within reason obviously.

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Post by Ultimate Dj »

wow yeah.....im totally interested. sounds quite amazing. I just gotta see pictures (yes so I can just drool :P). I was hoping it'd be a touch screen so I wouldn't break it in first use ya know? :D and to be so upgradable is a huge.
I'd luv to be able to hear what kind of sound it produces.



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Sharp wrote:Quite hard to get your head around the fact that it might be the last keyboard you ever buy
Yes, because I like collecting keyboards. I have a Radias on the way right now... call it a weakness.

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Post by Bankstatement »

Nice Sharp and Domenik

From what I can tell this will be based on Studio64 which uses Ubuntu/Debian repositories. This distro has been in development for some time now, so I would expect a very stable system. I have dabbled with this distro from time to time and found it very promising both support wise and features. So I can only think, that LIONSTRACS will add a lot of additional support and features. Ubuntu has its own distribution that is known as UbuntuStudio that seems to parallel Studio64.

An alternative to these, is the JackLab distro that has been moved under Opensuse and continues in a different light to this one.

A lot of studios are starting to look at these linux distros as a viable alternative to standard OS's on the market. The reason being that they can be stripped of superfluous add ons and can be configured for specific uses, such as audio, video, graphics, etc.

Good luck to LIONSTRACS, might have to try one of these units out in the not so distant future.

I have been Linux user for 13 years now! I tend to only use another OS because a company requires it. I would also like to set the record straight on Linux for some people. Opensource software DOES NOT mean free. Remember not everyone can script or compile their own kernel. The company I currently work for uses linux, we post the source(minus comments) and also sell our product. The ones that buy get a better rate on phone support and feature requests. The ones that just want the source, eh I saw a recent bill for $800/hour and over 12 hours of support. They would have been better off to just purchase the product. So flame away, I have asbestos pants on, and get screened for cancer regularly.

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This is the best thing I've heard all day. Cool bananas.
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Post by LIONSTRACS »

Thanks guys for the interest..
here just a SMALL preview of one..
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Let us assembly some more parts and then you can see the all new pictures.
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LIONSTRACS wrote:Thanks guys for the interest..
here just a SMALL preview of one..
Image

Let us assembly some more parts and then you can see the all new pictures.
Hello Sir`s,

I´am an OASYS user from the first hour and I´am very interested on your new products. Is it possible that we can load in your machine KARO sample libraries! I no there are special libraries for the OASYS.

Best wishes,

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LIONSTRACS wrote:Let us assembly some more parts and then you can see the all new pictures.
Thank you! Looking forward to it.

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hi Oasys76
I think you can not load the KARO Oasys library on our system.
We have the Linuxsampler Streaming system, GIGASTUDIO 2.0, 3.0 format.
In our products are already installed about 30 Gb of GIGA Studio sounds:
http://www.lionstracs.com/store/-c-158.html

and you can still load unlimited Giga sounds library, including the Steinway D grand, 1800Mb for ONE Piano sounds, Bosendorfer 290, 980 Mb file..and so on.
On Linuxsampler this BIG files are ready to play in about 4-6 seconds.
Giga sounds around 100-200 Mb are ready to play is about 1 second.

maybe is better that you ask to KARO to converting the all Oasys library under Gigastudio.
( we use also Extreme sampler converter for clone any sounds, VST and hardware..)
let me know
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