Can Pa800 convert normal MIDI file to Style instead of SMF?

[vu_skhi10]

Can Pa800 convert normal MIDI file to Style instead of SMF?
Thanks

[Rob Sherratt]

Yes, files with .MID file extensions are the "Standard Midi Files" (SMF's) being referred to.

Try exporting a factory Style as MIDI before you work on importing something. You will see how the markers have to be placed. Also read the chapters "Import: Import SMF" and "Export: Export SMF" that are in the "Style Record" part of the latest User Manual.

Best regards,
Rob

[shahid]

Hi Rob,

What about converting SMF to GM?

[alland]

this might be little confusing, but SMF (Standard MIDI File) is file format - how exactly save MIDI messages to computer file (file structure + MIDI itself).

GM (General Midi) is MIDI standard - how data is organized to get MIDI message.

More about MIDI and its implementations can be found ex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_In ... _Interface

And General MIDI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_MIDI

So MIDI file in SMF may or may not contain GM compatible MIDI data. It is not completely correct to talk about GM<->SMF converting because they are different categories

[Rob Sherratt]

Hi Rob,

What about converting SMF to GM?

Hi Shahid,

As far as I know files ending .MID and files ending .SMF are the same internal standard midi file format. As far as I know you can just rename the file extension from SMF to MID in order to load into the Pa keyboard's Song player. Let me know if I am wrong?

Standard MIDI File, often abbreviated as SMF (file extension: *.MID or *.KAR). The SMF (*.MID) is the industry standard song format, used by Pa2X as its basic Song format when recording a new Song. A MIDI Karaoke File (*.KAR) is an extension of the SMF format.

In order to convert MIDI files, mark them up with markers etc, and then import them as Styles, you have also to know that there are two file formats, SMF type 0 and SMF type 1. For purposes of creating styles on Pa2x and Pa800 you have to use SMF type 0 not type 1. Both types of files can either end .MID or .SMF so it is confusing (and the extensions are interchangeable as far as I know). You can convert from type 1 to type 0 using programs like GNMIDI (30 Euros) and GNMIDIFMT (10 Euros), details here:

http://www.gnmidi.com/

Many sequencers allow you to save in either type 0 or type 1 MIDI file format, so they could be used to convert the file format as well.

Regards,
Rob

[BasariStudios]

Shahid, no hard feelings bro but i never get it about you. On one side you claim
creativity, guru, profesionalism...on the other side you wanna know how to
convert MIDI to GM...it doesnt make sense to me...MIDI is one thing and GM
is just the Standard for MIDI which was created back in the 80es or you can
call it The Consitution for MIDI.

[shahid]

Shahid, no hard feelings bro but i never get it about you. On one side you claim
creativity, guru, profesionalism...on the other side you wanna know how to
convert MIDI to GM...it doesnt make sense to me...MIDI is one thing and GM
is just the Standard for MIDI which was created back in the 80es or you can
call it The Consitution for MIDI.

Hi Nadem,

Nice to hear from you as it has been a long time since we exchanged words.

Firstly, I never claimed myself a guru ever, non of my 274 posts say anything like that, please go through down back to 2007 if you are still confused and unsure, though my work speaks itself and I am very much thankful to the forum users as they always loved my work.

regarding MIDIs question, I think you are yourself not clear about it at all, sorry to say that. GM (General midi) was first introduced in 1991 not in 80s. It used to be MIDI format 0,1 only before that.

"General MIDI" is not the same as MIDI. Where MIDI is a language, a file format, and a connector specification, the "General MIDI System Level 1" specification -- also known as "GM" and later renamed General MIDI 1 or "GM1") defines specific features of a MIDI instrument. Without General MIDI, playback of MIDI files created on one MIDI instrument might sound totally different on a different MIDI instrument, because the only sound definition in MIDI is the sound number (Program Number), not the actual characteristics of the sound.

Again Regarding my questions, I actually asked wheather KORG provides such built-in feature to convert MIDI 0,1 into GM.

[BasariStudios]

What about converting SMF to GM?

None of what you said is true but i still wonder whats the difference
between the car and the engine itself...is it posible do describe???
I am not trying to put you down but claiming to create your own work
(which i dont say you are not doing it) and asking this question it is
kinda contradicting...i was just wondering. MIDI and SMF and GM have
nothing to do with each other as differentials, they are just interconected
and each piece is doing its own work.

To make it clearer, an SMF (StandarMIDIFile) is alreadu in GM format.
Now, i dont understand how can an engine be converted into a car.

[shahid]

Hi Nedim,

I just cant understand why you take things personaly, I am not claiming myself GURU at all, I be very happy if you call yourself guru, just lets be FRIENDS ! or at least good forum mates

Have a nice day!

Cheers

[BasariStudios]

Man Shahid, we are friends i am just still trying to figure out your question,
stay on the point please...unless you made a typing mistake, meaning something else.

[vu_skhi10]

1)Warm thanks to Rob I will definitely follow your tips on weekend and let you know how much I get success in conversion.

2)As far as Nadeem and Shahid, my question is creating a war of words and I'm upset what I have done to ask the question. My sincere friend Nedim plz be polite If someone asks for knowledge we should share it as you do but not let him down. I have seen many aged musicians who noticed the younger musician and adopt his trick no one is perfect or Guru in music and shahid is right he didn't call himself Guru as I have seen many posts of him. I hope you can understand my sincere feelings for you because "LEARNING PHASE NEVER ENDS"
Thanks & Regards

[Rob Sherratt]

Hi vu_skhi10,

Just to return to your original question for a moment, which in case anyone forgot, you asked: "can Pa800 convert a normal MIDI file to Style instead of SMF". Here are the detailed answers:

a) Files ending .SMF and .MID are interchangeable as far as I know, so you can rename the extension from .SMF to .MID and the file can then be played using the SONG Play mode on the Pa800. The SONG Play mode will play back both MIDI type 0 and MIDI type 1 files.

b) The song player can also play MIDI Karaoke files with a .KAR file name extension. These files are not the same as .SMF or .MID, they use an extended format suitable for lyrics etc.

c) The requirements for importing a MIDI file as a style are much more specific and restrictive on the file format. The import function is restricted to MIDI Type 0 files only. Also the tracks have to be laid out in a special way with markers etc. It's best to export a current style as MIDI and load that into your PC sequencer first of all, so you can see what is required. Try modifying one of these and then re-import it first as a User Style, just so you can get used to what is needed.

d) If you are trying to process a MIDI file which is a "Type 1" format, for use as a style, then you have to convert it to "type 0" first using a utility program like the one I mentioned earlier. Then you have to add the markers and ensure the channel and track numbers are as required. The Pa800 and Pa2x do not permit "Type 1" MIDI files to be loaded as styles. You can not load a MIDi file as a style unless the track markers have been added first.

Best regards,
Rob

[newkorgguy]

And wheres music??? What a funny story and topic this is.
You guys could've created a style by now instead wasting
your time on this topic for no reason.

Hi there BasariStudios, some time I really have trouble understanding your responses, like on the other post someone else posted free sounds for M3 from Korg M1, and you barged in asking for "sounds"? now if you don't like this topic/ thread you really don't have to participate this is an open forum for Korg Arrangers, and everyone is entitled to their opinion, and can post as long as it not offensive or conflict with forum policy, I apologize if I have offended anyone with this post will try to refrain from posting any further. Regards.

U said some time u have problem understanding, LOL

Every time, everybody is having trouble understanding him, it simple actualy, just ignore him,his changing faster than a weather ,hes "employed" (LOL) by ketron and giving us hard time here for some reason, instead of making styles and sounds for his new `baby` Audya ----

Simple just ignore him as everybody else here

p.s. did u see EVER that he had nice not arguing , and not playing smart answer or comment on anybody? (<----- its not possible actually;) )

Check other guys, guys who nows and who wants to help ,Rob, Sharp ,even if you mistaking or if you're wrong, they are explaining and trying to help u in civil way (<----- with basari - this is impossible) - i know what im saying ,i am seeing him around for years now ,... its just simple as that

so again my friend,just ignore him , i wish there is option in forums so you can block some user posts

good luck

Just ignore him,....

[BasariStudios]

Wow! You hurt my feeling KorgGuy, i am about to cry...get lost bro!!!