My KICK drum ! help me ?

[zwcerra]

I just got my m50 2 dayz ago n I'm trying to figure out how to program my own sounds. The only thing I'm really upset about right now is the lack of hip hop power in all of the BD samples. I make hip hop / r&b music mainly and without being able to use samples on the m50 my question IS:---

HOW CAN I PROGRAM A KICK DRUM TO HIT PHAATER? (low boost, and drive, and low eq aren't cutting it for me) I'll just have to show you a kwik YouTube example of what I want my bass drum to sound like .... My apologies if you dislike Jim Jones... but anyways The kick comes in around 13 secs in the video. Or maybe its kick combined with bass? I can't figure out how to program a sound that PHAAT. Any help would be appreciated.. Thanks ya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ISW-vcDEo
Jim Jones - Weatherman

[mocando]

You have been only 2 days with your M50 and you are UPSET because you can't find a bass drum that you like ??? Really ???

I'm still finding new sounds after almost 2 years with my M50.

Do as everyone else have done here, READ THE MANUAL, then experiment, search and tweak the effects.

No disrespect here, but the song you posted the link from is so repeating you can sample the first measure and loop it and that's it. What a complete lack of imagination.

Maybe I'm getting old, am I alone here ?

[zwcerra]

Ok first of all I went thru every bass drum sample in global mode.. theres some good ones but nothing that hits as hard as the drum in that song. I know that song isn't great I just wanted to show someone with knowledge the type of kick I am after. None of the stock BD samples are near that phat or drop that hard. Just looking for some tips / tricks from an experienced user. Should I put a certain FX on my drum track? Create my own program or wut. Maybe some oscillator or envelope programming?

[outsider9]

You need to tweak. Then add FX like compressors.

[mocando]

Ok first of all I went thru every bass drum sample in global mode.. theres some good ones but nothing that hits as hard as the drum in that song. I know that song isn't great I just wanted to show someone with knowledge the type of kick I am after. None of the stock BD samples are near that phat or drop that hard. Just looking for some tips / tricks from an experienced user. Should I put a certain FX on my drum track? Create my own program or wut. Maybe some oscillator or envelope programming?

There are literally hundreds or thousands of different effect combinations you could use to achieve different sounds. I would first go to the AMP and filter envelopes, so you can tweak the attack and release time to your needs. That is in program mode. In order not to destroy your current drum kit, just copy the program someplace else and name it your way.
Then I will go to the effects routing (I would do that in Combi mode) in case you want to layer another sound like a piano or a synth saw.

There are five insert effect slots, two master and one total effect. You can combine all of them. Going trough the whole effect routing and stuff is a bit long to discuss in a forum post. I recommend you read the part about effects in the Parameter guide and ask specific questions here. We'll be happy to help out a person who is really interested in learning, and not just a simple how can I do this or that (really can you do it for me?) or can you give me a step by step? kind of guy. There is not such things as step by step in sound programming. There are so much different approaches to get something.

BTW I'm not bugging you. Sound programming is FUN a TON. Just takes time to get a hold on it. But is worth it.

As a final note: Don't compare the sound of a song and the sound you get with your PA. Maybe are your speakers that don't get that low. You gotta check that out too. How are you amplifying your M50 ?

[Synastikki]

One thing that you could try is blending two (or even more) kick drum samples together...

[mocando]

One thing that you could try is blending two (or even more) kick drum samples together...

Right, in combi mode you could blend a drum with a synth bass or an acoustic bass. Up to 16 patches can be mixed together. The catch is really trying to figure out which sounds need to be mixed to achieve the sound you are hearing. But that, I'm afraid, is trial an error. There is no guide to follow. Just your ears and your common sense.

[BasariStudios]

None of the stock BD samples are near that phat or drop that hard.

But thats not M50, thats a Studio done professional mixing, and then FX
added to it in studio, mixed and remixed and compressed the hell out of it.

[BasariStudios]

Or if you go to the HipHopKit and go down on E2 you'll find a Kick with Decay
like the one here but that has to be layered with other kicks and you get that.
I am 101% sure that it can be done exactly like on the video even though i am
not into that kind of music. In the video they probably used some 808 Samples.

[CfNorENa]

Or if you go to the HipHopKit and go down on E2 you'll find a Kick with Decay
like the one here but that has to be layered with other kicks and you get that.
I am 101% sure that it can be done exactly like on the video even though i am
not into that kind of music. In the video they probably used some 808 Samples.

A friendly and genuinely helpful post on the M50. Nedim, I gotta say, I'm kinda fascinated by your internet persona.

[zwcerra]

Appreciate your responses. 101 % sure huh, thx for th inspiration . Let the tweakin begin.

[Musical Dunce]

the korg m50 can take you as far as you wanna go. I'm amazed daily at the power of this instrument. Ya see the hard part for me is over. Because I now own it. The fun begins when one takes the initiative to dive into it's deep water and create and see what ya come up with, as the old saying goes "if your mind can concieve it you will achieve it. So for those of you that are all antsy pantsy...chill out and enjoy the ride.

[adamskii]

I used to create these type of BD sounds frequently on my old Yamaha SY85, without the use of a compressor. The reason why you can't find a BD sounding like the one in the video is because it's not actually just a BD sample.

It's a layer of a simple BD sample along with a low pitched tom sample, with a LP filter on it to make it sound muffled. It's the tom sample that gives it the power, and the BD sample just gives it the punch/click at the beginning of triggering it. When creating the BD sound, you will have to alter the Amp envelope to make the tom sample sound shorter when played at lower pitches, and also alter the filter envelope to shape the overall characteristics of the sound that you want. It also wouldn't hurt to add some EQ and drive settings to give the BD sound the power you need.

To layer two drum samples on a single key (not velocity switching) in the drum kit editor, you will need to follow the tutorial that I posted in another thread. The tutorial I wrote was actually for editing Oscillators in program mode, but it also works with drum kits too. You can find my tutorial in the 6th post down in the thread. It's also recommended that you read the parameter guide manual, since you can learn alot about programming sounds from it. I know 400+ pages is a lot of information to absorb, but it's worth it, trust me.

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... hp?t=51464

[zwcerra]

Ur the fkucing man Adam.