Fix styles from 32 bars to expand 64 Maximum Recording

[shmuelsan]

I think that korg need an operating system below to fix the option of the amount of bars in the recording that styles from 32 bars to increase to 64 all keyboards have more than 32 is very little Ahminmum is 48 and the calculation I made when I build my style in midi Vahach does import file smf is that most of the openness of the song is at least 48 thank you hope to fix it

[Sam CA]

I think that korg need an operating system below to fix the option of the amount of bars in the recording that styles from 32 bars to increase to 64 all keyboards have more than 32 is very little Ahminmum is 48 and the calculation I made when I build my style in midi Vahach does import file smf is that most of the openness of the song is at least 48 thank you hope to fix it

You will not need more than 32 bars for Vars, and Breaks. However, I've produced many Intros and Endings that go beyond 32 measures. You can easily double the time signature for those elements and double the bars. It works fine for now, but I wouldn't mind if they increased the bars for Intros/Endings.

[karmathanever]

Why not just create a MIDI file?

It all comes down to capacity - PA2Xpro doesn't have it. Audya and Tyros have even less. No change to the OS will provide this - a hardware upgrade would be required.

An intro of 64 bars? Some songs aren't that long. At 100 bpm a 4/4 intro will play for 2.5 minutes

I would be interested to know how many players need that capacity?

Just curious.....

Pete

[BasariStudios]

all keyboards have more than 32

None of them do! Except PA.

Why not just create a MIDI file?
I would be interested to know how many players need that capacity?

None! Anything over those 32 Bars needs a MIDI file.

[Sam CA]

Why not just create a MIDI file?
I would be interested to know how many players need that capacity?

None! Anything over those 32 Bars needs a MIDI file.

Who said so? I have well over 30 user styles that have 32/40 Plus bars Intros...And playing the midi is not an option, because their application for the gig is not a one shot type of performance. There's no way I could know in advance how long i would want to stay on that song before i move on to the next one, or which parts of the song I want to repeat..etc... what happens to the guitar tracks?A midi file can't and will never be the same. The only rule is that you program the style for whatever suits your need. The sky is the limit, some say! If all you're playing is "4/4 at 100", then you've got an extremely boring selections of songs. It's very common to play songs with different tempo/time signatures...Very common!

[karmathanever]

If all you're playing is "4/4 at 100", then you've got an extremely boring selections of song

Never suggested that was "all I was playing"...
2.5 minutes worth of 4/4 at 100bpm was purely an example - but if the styles were pumping out at 200, even 1.25 minutes is a pretty long intro. A "point" not an argument. I was very curious as to why one would need many (if any) intros over 32 bars.
I think that once you get to a point where you try to authentically create styles to exactly match an original recording/song then you really need a MIDI file or audio backing track.
I agree that you do not always want to be locked into a fixed MIDI/Audio arrangement but the arranger features of any ARRANGER keyboard were never designed to create 100% original authenticity - you would need a massive amount of SSD to do this.
Probably the M3 or PA2X+M3 would be better solution using RPPR (which is excellent by the way) ....

Pete

[Vex]

I think that korg need an operating system below to fix the option of the amount of bars in the recording that styles from 32 bars to increase to 64 all keyboards have more than 32 is very little Ahminmum is 48 and the calculation I made when I build my style in midi Vahach does import file smf is that most of the openness of the song is at least 48 thank you hope to fix it

Record in 8/4 and you will have 64 bars of 4/4

[Sam CA]

If all you're playing is "4/4 at 100", then you've got an extremely boring selections of song

Never suggested that was "all I was playing"...
2.5 minutes worth of 4/4 at 100bpm was purely an example - but if the styles were pumping out at 200, even 1.25 minutes is a pretty long intro. A "point" not an argument. I was very curious as to why one would need many (if any) intros over 32 bars.
I think that once you get to a point where you try to authentically create styles to exactly match an original recording/song then you really need a MIDI file or audio backing track.
I agree that you do not always want to be locked into a fixed MIDI/Audio arrangement but the arranger features of any ARRANGER keyboard were never designed to create 100% original authenticity - you would need a massive amount of SSD to do this.
Probably the M3 or PA2X+M3 would be better solution using RPPR (which is excellent by the way) ....

Pete

But your example is wrong. With the exception of one or two songs I don't know of a song that has a solid 2/5 minutes intro. If that's the case you can also say , a 4/4 song at 50 bpm could take 5 minutes, can't you? That doesn't mean much. You can have a song that has 34 bars, 38 bars, 33 bars or any variation..you can do a remix..you can rearrange a song...you can do all kinds of things that could require more bars, that is if you're able to do so. Of course you dont' want to be locked into a fixed midi arrangement, that's the whole point of buying an arraner keyboard!

"arranger features of any ARRANGER keyboard were never designed to create 100% original authenticity - you would need a massive amount of SSD to do this"
See , you got a big problem then. You have a fixed idea of what an arranger keyboard is designed for. You could never stay authentic to a song 100% with 7 tracks in style mode, even if you wanted to, unless it's a solo or duet? I dont' know where you're getting your information from, but what you just said is completely wrong. I've got all my favorites as well as user1/2 full of user styles and all of those are programmed to the teeth, and i'm still able to program more and more. By the way , i have PA 800. May be some time in the future i will have to split sets for different gigs, but it's been 3 years since i've started programming this keyboard , and that moment hasn't arrived yet. You do not need M3 or RPPr features to do that at all.
Any arranger keyboard was desinged to be programmed the way the operator of that keyboard desires within the hardware/software limitations. Any other definition is just too weak to cover all kinds of needs, skills, genres,gigs..etc . let me ask you this, You said you had 1000 plus styles, right? how many of those styles have multiple time signatures?

[karmathanever]

Unbelievable, no, I rephrase, believable...

Why the rant?

Don't tell me I am wrong when you clearly don't read or understand my post.

As I said above, I was just curious (no aggression, no anger) - so, I don't perhaps understand your music. I don't play music with many changes of time signatures - you obviously do - that's cool. I was purely interested but not if I am just going to get the "all too often" knee jerk slam

Take a deep breath man - calm the heart...

[BasariStudios]

I still stand by what i said, we are human, we are never satisfied so accept
it or shut it. And yes, i stand by OVER 32 BARS MIDI ONLY. If you need an
intro that long, and ending that long then why not just use a stupid MIDI.
In my country they have a say ,,,You wanna F^%ck but no Penetration''
That wont work, for that ACT to work it needs Penetration.
My point is, You dont wanna use a MIDI file but you still wanna Sound like one.
NO!!! It does not work that way...stop ranting and attacking people in here.
Whats wrong with using MIDI??? Instead of looking for a 19834857348957834
Bars Intro? Why the hell the need for a long intro? It is not there to play
our whole party, its there for a certain small intro to lead us to the main
style, sometimes even 8 Bars is already too long...lets be real.

Lets us stop being stupid and do something productive. Nothing is wrong with
people requesting and wishing but something is wrong when things dont
make sense at all...lets stop being kids...

[Sam CA]

Unbelievable, no, I rephrase, believable...

Why the rant?

Don't tell me I am wrong when you clearly don't read or understand my post.

As I said above, I was just curious (no aggression, no anger) - so, I don't perhaps understand your music. I don't play music with many changes of time signatures - you obviously do - that's cool. I was purely interested but not if I am just going to get the "all too often" knee jerk slam

Take a deep breath man - calm the heart...

he he he..i'm not angry at all man...I'm just saying you're using the wrong example for the wrong application. It's good to be curious, but it's wrong to define how an instrument should be used based on personal needs. You still didnt' tell me how many of those 1000 styles actually have different time signatures within the same style? Now, i'm curious!

[BasariStudios]

Why not just create a MIDI file?
I would be interested to know how many players need that capacity?

None! Anything over those 32 Bars needs a MIDI file.

Who said so? I have well over 30 user styles that have 32/40 Plus bars Intros...And playing the midi is not an option, because their application for the gig is not a one shot type of performance.

Then they should not call themselfs musicians but DJs or NOTHING.
There is a line, limit between a musician and someone spoiled by
dads money that bought him a synth or DJ equipement and then
he was a lil smart to steal few styles or midi files from net or people.

[Sam CA]

I still stand by what i said, we are human, we are never satisfied so accept
it or shut it. And yes, i stand by OVER 32 BARS MIDI ONLY. If you need an
intro that long, and ending that long then why not just use a stupid MIDI.
In my country they have a say ,,,You wanna F^%ck but no Penetration''
That wont work, for that ACT to work it needs Penetration.
My point is, You dont wanna use a MIDI file but you still wanna Sound like one.
NO!!! It does not work that way...stop ranting and attacking people in here.
Whats wrong with using MIDI??? Instead of looking for a 19834857348957834
Bars Intro? Why the hell the need for a long intro? It is not there to play
our whole party, its there for a certain small intro to lead us to the main
style, sometimes even 8 Bars is already too long...lets be real.

Lets us stop being stupid and do something productive. Nothing is wrong with
people requesting and wishing but something is wrong when things dont
make sense at all...lets stop being kids...

No comment!

[musicrazy]

Hi. If you don´t want to sound like one shot music why don´t you use the midi marker function so you can jump to any midi part song?

[Sam CA]

Hi. If you don´t want to sound like one shot music why don´t you use the midi marker function so you can jump to any midi part song?

You tell me, Why should I use markers, when I've bought a professional arranger keyboard to make styles? There's virtually no limitation of how many bars you can allocate to a given element, so why would I not use those and user markers? I dont' know about your keyboard, but my pa 800 happens to be an arranger keyboard and capable of programming styles. Also my keyboard has dedicated buttons to use all those elements. Are you missing all those? I never said I didn't want to sound like one shot music, because I dont' . I use both midi and styles!