No play back

zenitram · Post by **zenitram** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:33 pm

I have an i7pc, 2x2 midi man. I can record midi onto Cubase Studio 4 but trinityv3 wont play back. It was working, but at some unknown point it stopped. Please help.

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:53 am

Obvious questions...

Receive channel changed?
Synth still making sound (not played by computer)?
Drivers for interface still there?
Loose MIDI-IN plug?

If the individual components are all working, check them adding one piece at a time.

Tracing the signal paths and cabling (both audio and digital) will be a good place to start looking.

Then check to see if the programs you're expecting to send midi actually are sending (drivers, designated ports, etc.) and haven't been overwritten or replaced by something recently installed.

If you're on a PC you could try going back to a system reset point where your set-up WAS working to see if it comes back on again.

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Spacecowboy · Post by **Spacecowboy** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:15 am

have you loaded new PCG's? Sometimes you find a PCG on the net and it has a different Global setting. I recommend when loading a PCG you have never heard, just load the banks not the global. maybe recheck your global settings.

zenitram · Post by **zenitram** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:14 am

Just a quicky to say thanks for your replies. I didnt see them as I was only checking my emails. I have changed the midi cables. I dont know what PCG's are so I probably havn't loaded any. I will go through your other sugestions now Thanks again.

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:22 pm

PCG is the file extension for korg voice programs. Most of the synths from TRINITY up use it as a standard file type -- XXXX.PCG will be a Korg voice bank.

Typically you'd load a full set-up for your synth, ALL voices in ALL banks, plus ALL drum kits and ALL global data including preferences for MIDI communications, tuning, controller pedals and a host of other minor things.

So you can see here where if you did put in new voices you MIGHT get into trouble with some of the non-voice data -- spacecowboy's advice. The way to avoid that is rather than blindly loading a whole set-up as a block, go into the PCG as you would with a folder, then you can load individual banks or even single voices and combis, without overwriting your system.

Incidentally, your sequencer might also be sending some default settings as well as it starts your sequences. They could conceivably overwrite your global setting, so that might be another place to check.

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zenitram · Post by **zenitram** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:53 pm

Bilbaker wrote: "So you can see here where if you did put in new voices you MIGHT get into trouble with some of the non-voice data".
I havn't loaded any pcg's or any thing. I am not sending anything from the Trinity sequencer to Cubase. I am simply recording Midi events with Trinity onto the Cubase sequencer. That much is fine but it wont play back a preset sound from a trinity program or combi. I have changed the Midi cables and the ports on the midisport 2x2 and the midi chanels but still silence on playback. It looks like my beloved trinity has reached the end of the road. Please tell me otherwise. Thanks.

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:50 pm

As a test --

Turn OFF local control in global menu - this should separate the keyboard from the synth engine.

Run midi cable from MIDI OUT of the trinity to its own MIDI IN - reconnecting the Keys and Engine via MIDI. You know the midi out is working 'cuz cubase is receiving data.

Got sound?

If not, problem is with MIDI IN, so again check channel receive options and global midi options to ensure that MIDI is coming in from outside and being welcomed with open arms. Unless the socket has been physically damaged I still think you need to look at software - hardware is usually the last thing to go wrong.

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zenitram · Post by **zenitram** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:38 pm

I connected Trinity mid out to Trinity midi in and there is sound with global on or off. Does this mean its the cable giving the problem. Thanks.

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:13 pm

Not that cable - but try both the ones you're using.

If both work it's something at the output stage of your computer... perhaps sending midi to the wrong out port or some driver problem.

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zenitram · Post by **zenitram** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:11 pm

Thanks for that BB. its now working. Faulty cable, what a relief. I actually changed that cable last week but for some bizarre reason, it still didnt work, so I put it back. I shall remember that test. I had actually started looking at new synths. Thank you very, very much.

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:24 pm

FYI not all 5 pin din cables are midi cables.

If memory serves, the 5 DIN pin was adopted from a European standard for connecting hi-fi speakers [back in the EARLY MIDI days when hi-fi was still a big deal... ]. But those cables were sometimes either not pin to pin standard, or had ground connections on odd pins -- the end result of which was non-functioning or weird MIDI problems when they were used.

Sounds like you may have run across one of those.

The "local-off-MIDI-loop trick turns your synth into a very expensive cable tester, but it's one that works great if you are in doubt about the ancestry of your MIDI cables.

Glad I could help.

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zenitram · Post by **zenitram** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:31 pm

It may have come from my old Hi Fi box of bits which is 25 years old at least. Thanks again.

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