Just got the MOSS

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:00 am

I wont lie.. I was very not into the MOSS... I heard it was a joke (MOSS for triton btw)

Then i put it in.. go to bank F

IM BLOWN AWAY.

please, let me know some suggestions you have for the MOSS board, I'de like to see if theres anything I can do thats super awesome

please post and tips and tricks and your favorite stuff!
thanks!

krazy78 · Post by **krazy78** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:50 am

please, let me know some suggestions you have for the MOSS board,

start programming your own sounds, let the fun begin

theres a whole lot of info on the moss in this section, start reading all the
old threads, also check out the download section on korg forums , theres
hundreds of sounds there you can download.

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:53 am

Thanks for the reply. I definately want to start making my own patches. Im having some trouble right now though.
I already have a radias so analog isnt what im interested in this thing. its the brass and EP modeling.
I wanna make a good brass ensemble. any tips?
so far having a little trouble

xmlguy · Post by **xmlguy** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:18 am

robbinhood wrote:Thanks for the reply. I definately want to start making my own patches. Im having some trouble right now though.
I already have a radias so analog isnt what im interested in this thing. its the brass and EP modeling.
I wanna make a good brass ensemble. any tips?
so far having a little trouble

The MOSS Virtual Analog models are quite a bit different than the Radias, particularly the filter and modulation matrix. It's worth exploring as it does some pretty radical sounds.

Crystalmsc · Post by **Crystalmsc** » Sun May 01, 2011 6:02 pm

That is one board that keep my old Karma stays in the studio.

Zeroesque · Post by **Zeroesque** » Mon May 02, 2011 3:18 am

I've finally got MOSS sounds back in my setup. After not having them for years since I sold my Triton Studio (and Trinity V3 before that), I picked up a mint Karma on CL that has the EXB-MOSS in it. Just went though a few of the banks available from the Korg site and I can't believe I've been missing these sounds for so long. So awesome. Happy programming and playing, guys!

Tim

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Mon May 02, 2011 10:23 am

Robbinhood, Perhaps in a while you could let me know how you think it compares to the Radias?

I've thought about the MOSS board but the combination of price, polyphony, and general fiddlyeness has put me off. I'd rather invest in that piano EXB-PCMwhatever. I just don't see the point if I'm mainly after synth sounds.

ozy · Post by **ozy** » Mon May 02, 2011 10:39 am

robbinhood wrote:please post and tips and tricks and your favorite stuff!

sit down and RTFM.

the best thing for you is to "rewire" your programming attitude on MOSS language.

When I programmed the Prophecy that was the main issue. From there on it was a breeze.

Once you master that, you'll just start from a patch and tweak parameters as you would do on the rompler part of the synth.

But there is NO 1-2-1 correspondence between sample+subtractive parameters and MOSS parameters.

So, mastering the MOSS logic and vocabulary is necessary. Spend a night with the manual.

(it's a night with MOSS, a month with VL, so don't complain

)

I am not surprised that you got blown away. It IS a very nice engine.

Rosen Sound · Post by **Rosen Sound** » Mon May 02, 2011 11:45 am

well... i pretty much know my triton though and through.. ide like to believe i can make it do most everything i want, i do understand the MOSS engine. thats not the issue at all.
The point of this thread is for people to say what their favorite thing about the MOSS is, theres like a kajillion engines in it and its kind of overwhelming! Especially when im used to the rompler part of it, ive never had so many options in this keyboard, and frankly i king of dont know where to start! Ive never experienced modeling brass or an EP or a string instrument. its very new to me. tips are tricks wouldnt hurt.
But ive read most documents, a lot of stuff (parameters and basic editing stuff) isnt new to me at all.

X-trade:
So far it doesnt compare in the VA department, getting nowhere near the same results. The aliasing is less then the tritons original waveforms, and the new filter routing is definitely welcome! I think at this point, my main thing with the moss is that i wish i could use its engine with the tritons waveforms (choirs etc) that would be nice... making EP's and brass has deemed sorta useless so far cause of the 6 note polyphony.

but the engine is nice!
Also, might i add my opinion of the piano boards
the classical piano on the EXB-01 piano classic keyboards is WAYYYYYYYY better then the EXB pcm 08. I sold the 08 in a day after getting it. it didnt compare! and you get new organs and EPs and clavs with the 01 card. I much prefer it.
I have the samples for the classical piano in the 01 on my site, i've gotten some 5 emails of people saying they use it more then the 08 card lol

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Mon May 02, 2011 1:07 pm

Brass should be fine with just 6 voices. Real brass instruments by their nature are monophonic, so six voices gives you a nicely sized ensemble.

As for VA usage, don't dismiss the Moss out of hand. I find Moss sounds a lot fatter than the Radias. They really do sound different. The Moss is also better specified in terms of features and specifications (other than the polyphony). Four LFOs, five multi-stage EGs, enormous modulation capabilities in terms of sources, destinations and available slots, more flexible FM (VPM), considerably more expressive filters, physical modelling, full blown synthesis on both the main oscillators, a flexible sub-osc (effectively a third oscillator), et al... the Radias can't compete in many areas.

Given that the Radias and Moss sound very different, they do complement each other. Any weakness of either of them are boosted by the other so it all balances out.

Zeroesque · Post by **Zeroesque** » Mon May 02, 2011 2:13 pm

X-Trade wrote:Robbinhood, Perhaps in a while you could let me know how you think it compares to the Radias?

I've thought about the MOSS board but the combination of price, polyphony, and general fiddlyeness has put me off. I'd rather invest in that piano EXB-PCMwhatever. I just don't see the point if I'm mainly after synth sounds.

If you've never messed with it, it will be like buying a whole new synth, with the benefit of already knowing how to use it (since it will be in your Karma). There are several banks of sounds on the Korg site (including Timo's excellent stuff) and you will definitely find some usable sounds and inspiration. You'll probably quickly realize why several people in these forums already want an update to the Kronos to include MOSS (though I'm not into arguing that).

If you don't dig the thing, you could easily sell it for what you paid.

pillbug · Post by **pillbug** » Thu May 05, 2011 1:10 am

Zeroesque wrote:
X-Trade wrote:Robbinhood, Perhaps in a while you could let me know how you think it compares to the Radias?

I've thought about the MOSS board but the combination of price, polyphony, and general fiddlyeness has put me off. I'd rather invest in that piano EXB-PCMwhatever. I just don't see the point if I'm mainly after synth sounds.
If you've never messed with it, it will be like buying a whole new synth, with the benefit of already knowing how to use it (since it will be in your Karma). There are several banks of sounds on the Korg site (including Timo's excellent stuff) and you will definitely find some usable sounds and inspiration. You'll probably quickly realize why several people in these forums already want an update to the Kronos to include MOSS (though I'm not into arguing that).

If you don't dig the thing, you could easily sell it for what you paid.

I agree, the MOSS is a nice upgrade for the Triton, but, does not compare to the almighty RADIAS sound.

johnxyz · Post by **johnxyz** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:42 pm

Ok guys. I've heard the Kronos synth stuff and like it. If i have a Moss, how much of the Kronos synth patches will i be able to replicate?

Put another way, what % of Kronos synth sounds can Moss achieve?
john

johnxyz · Post by **johnxyz** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:43 pm

.....and also - does anyone have an opinion on Moss -v- JP8000?

john

mandala music · Post by **mandala music** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:11 pm

johnxyz wrote:.....and also - does anyone have an opinion on Moss -v- JP8000?

john

The 8 voice polyphony of the JP8000 is somewhat misleading. The patches are all dual combinations that sound best when played together so you are only getting 4 voices. The JP8080 is a little bit better with a total polyphony of 10 voices single mode (5 voices dual mode) but I play midi guitar which requires a minimum of 6 voices which sound good. The MOSS produces 6 voices that sound rich to me and need no additional layering. For additional polyphony of 12 voices you can get a Korg Z1 which has the wonderful X-Y pad controller. BTW you can modulate MOSS patches in your Korg Triton by using the X-Y controller of the Z1.

I did 6 banks of Z1 "Pad Plus" patches which I converted for use in the MOSS as "Padplus1 - Padplus6" PCG files. You can download them from the files section of the Yahoo group, "TRITON-EXTREME." If you want the Z1 sysex files, you can download them from the files section of the Yahoo Group, "sysex."

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