M3 Aftertouch?

iluvchiclets · Post by **iluvchiclets** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:15 am

Hello everyone,

I have a quick question about the M3's aftertouch. I assume the term after-touch means that after I have sounded a note on the keyboard, I can apply more pressure on a key to get an additional effect, or quality, to the initial sound?

Is this aftertouch only programmed on certain programs and not on others? I am currently trying out an M3-88 at a music store and no matter how hard I press, I can't hear any difference in the sounds.

Are these after-touch qualities only on certain programs? Perhaps I am missing them? I have mainly been trying the M3xpanded piano samples.

...any info would be appreciated!

apex · Post by **apex** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:47 am

iluvchiclets wrote:Hello everyone,

I have a quick question about the M3's aftertouch. I assume the term after-touch means that after I have sounded a note on the keyboard, I can apply more pressure on a key to get an additional effect, or quality, to the initial sound?

Is this aftertouch only programmed on certain programs and not on others? I am currently trying out an M3-88 at a music store and no matter how hard I press, I can't hear any difference in the sounds.

Are these after-touch qualities only on certain programs? Perhaps I am missing them? I have mainly been trying the M3xpanded piano samples.

...any info would be appreciated!

only programmed to certain sounds... and you won't find it in the pianos I dont think...

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:19 am

Usually guitar and lead synth sounds are a good place to start looking for vibrato, pitch and filter fx on the aftertouch.

MRPaudio · Post by **MRPaudio** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:44 pm

Keep in mind you can also calibrate the after-touch response to suit your playing style.

(Maybe I'm light on the keys... but that's what I did on my M3... recalibrated the after-touch 'cause it felt like I had to press too hard to hear the effect.)

I haven't found any after-touch effects on the M3 pianos I've played so far...
Straight piano patches typically don't use after-touch.

You'll find the effect used in many other patches though, like synths, pads, strings, guitars, etc.

You could probably make a custom piano patch to include after-touch, make it trigger a certain effect or sound, if you really want it that way.

Muji · Post by **Muji** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:07 pm

Can someone name a specific patch that DEFINITELY has noticeable aftertouch?

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:24 pm

I don't have an M3, but I guarantee that if you scroll through the first ten synth lead sounds and fast synth sounds and you DON'T get any effect, something is wrong. In my Triton Extreme there is a little PCB with two dials that regulates aftertouch. Pretty confident it would be the same or similar for the M3. If the software calibration doesn't do anything for you, and you're already past warranty, you might open your M3 up and see if you can get it to work with those dials. One is offset, one sensitivity.

Anyone here know for sure if it's the same in the M3?

MRPaudio · Post by **MRPaudio** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:38 pm

There are many patches that use after touch.

Just one quick example is PROG I-E025 E.Guitar Dynamic Pick.

Strike & hold a note. Before the sound decays, press the key a little harder. This will cause a vibrato effect.

apex · Post by **apex** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:29 pm

SanderXpander wrote:I don't have an M3, but I guarantee that if you scroll through the first ten synth lead sounds and fast synth sounds and you DON'T get any effect, something is wrong. In my Triton Extreme there is a little PCB with two dials that regulates aftertouch. Pretty confident it would be the same or similar for the M3. If the software calibration doesn't do anything for you, and you're already past warranty, you might open your M3 up and see if you can get it to work with those dials. One is offset, one sensitivity.

Anyone here know for sure if it's the same in the M3?

be more specific about what you mean? how do you know which of those PCBs is the correct ones... and what do you do to them?

I'm just asking...

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:55 am

It's a small PCB and it literally says "aftertouch" in small print. There are two screwdriver operated dials on it, saying "offset" and I think "sens". Since there are dials on it, it's not buried between other pcbs or cables. It's directly visible upon opening up my Extreme.
Some points; only start opening things up if your warranty has expired and you're sure nothing on the software side of things seems to make a difference. Always look carefully before proceeding and remember which screw goes where. Make sure you're not full of static electricity when you touch the PCBs. Other than that, you can't really break anything if you're careful and use common sense.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:18 am

SanderXpander wrote:It's a small PCB and it literally says "aftertouch" in small print. There are two screwdriver operated dials on it, saying "offset" and I think "sens". Since there are dials on it, it's not buried between other pcbs or cables. It's directly visible upon opening up my Extreme.
Some points; only start opening things up if your warranty has expired and you're sure nothing on the software side of things seems to make a difference. Always look carefully before proceeding and remember which screw goes where. Make sure you're not full of static electricity when you touch the PCBs. Other than that, you can't really break anything if you're careful and use common sense.

I never knew this ... I have the feeling my aftertouch is more like on/off so maybe I also should try playing with these knobs.

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:28 am

The guy I bought my Extreme from had a really weird opinion on aftertouch and I think he modified it to be ultra-responsive. But I'd get vibrato and such just by playing normally, so after a while I opened it up to look and tadaa... Two pots.
You can use them to tweak a bit but to be honest I don't think there's a really good range for the aftertouch, physically from the keyboard. It just doesn't get really subtle. Tip: set up a sound with a clearly recognizable effect (perhaps lfo=>pitch ams) for while you're tweaking. Obviously, the keyboard needs to be on for this, so be careful not to touch anything but the pots with the screwdriver.

michelkeijzers · Post by **michelkeijzers** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:01 am

SanderXpander wrote:The guy I bought my Extreme from had a really weird opinion on aftertouch and I think he modified it to be ultra-responsive. But I'd get vibrato and such just by playing normally, so after a while I opened it up to look and tadaa... Two pots.
You can use them to tweak a bit but to be honest I don't think there's a really good range for the aftertouch, physically from the keyboard. It just doesn't get really subtle. Tip: set up a sound with a clearly recognizable effect (perhaps lfo=>pitch ams) for while you're tweaking. Obviously, the keyboard needs to be on for this, so be careful not to touch anything but the pots with the screwdriver.

I will be careful, thanks for the tip. I am not using the sound of the Extreme right now (using mainly M50) but I might add it when I have a Kronos.

dumeril7 · Post by **dumeril7** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:39 pm

In my experience, the M3 has one of the best aftertouch implementations I've played. Very controllable and less on/off than any keyboard I've owned or tried. My guess is that its not the same as the Triton (at least for the non-weighted models) because Korg redesigned the key bed for the M3. If its not working that way for you, you may need to calibrate the aftertouch -- the instructions are in the manual and its easy to do.

D7

Muji · Post by **Muji** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:10 pm

In my case I'm testing the aftertouch of my controller board with the M3-M module...

Thanks for the patch name. I'll try it soon...

-TT

Muji · Post by **Muji** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:11 pm

MRPaudio wrote:There are many patches that use after touch.

Just one quick example is PROG I-E025 E.Guitar Dynamic Pick.

Strike & hold a note. Before the sound decays, press the key a little harder. This will cause a vibrato effect.

This worked for me, but was pretty subtle. I've adjusted the aftertouch curve to maximum effect.

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