Organimation vs Kronos CX-3 Engine

apex · Post by **apex** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:00 pm

Do you all think that sample set would even have a place within a Kronos considering the powerful cx-3 engine?

I really don't care for keyboard organs, but a friend and I were listening to the organimation sample set from K-Sounds... and man it really does sound great.

opinions?

DaveBoulden · Post by **DaveBoulden** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:11 pm

There is a set of Organimation CX-3 presets you can buy from K-Sounds now. It uses the CX-3 engine, but gives you the Organimation sounds. I bought it and prefer the programs to the stock CX-3 presets. YMMV!

http://ksounds.com/html/organimation_kronos_oasys.html

BillW · Post by **BillW** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:20 pm

apex wrote:Do you all think that sample set would even have a place within a Kronos considering the powerful cx-3 engine?

I really don't care for keyboard organs, but a friend and I were listening to the organimation sample set from K-Sounds... and man it really does sound great.

opinions?

Well, it's not a sample set for the Kronos, just a set of organ programs that use the CX-3 engine. I own Organimation for 3 other products (and it works quite well), but you might want to put some time into programming the CX-3 yourself first. As Dave said...YMMV.

apex · Post by **apex** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:30 pm

what does YMMV mean?

also, I thought that Organimation was a sample set that he designed for the m3 and then just ported it over to Kronos...

So the organimation set doesn't use samples?

BillW · Post by **BillW** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:32 pm

apex wrote:what does YMMV mean?

also, I thought that Organimation was a sample set that he designed for the m3 and then just ported it over to Kronos...

So the organimation set doesn't use samples?

It means "your mileage may vary." The Kronos doesn't need the samples, it has the CX-3 engine built in. Organimation also doesn't use samples for the Motif or M50. There are no samples except for the M3 version!

apex · Post by **apex** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:36 pm

BillW wrote:
apex wrote:what does YMMV mean?

also, I thought that Organimation was a sample set that he designed for the m3 and then just ported it over to Kronos...

So the organimation set doesn't use samples?
It means "your mileage may vary." The Kronos doesn't need the samples, it has the CX-3 engine built in. Organimation also doesn't use samples for the Motif or M50. There are no samples except for the M3 version!

can the Kronos not load the samples though?

BillW · Post by **BillW** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:38 pm

apex wrote:
BillW wrote:
apex wrote:what does YMMV mean?

also, I thought that Organimation was a sample set that he designed for the m3 and then just ported it over to Kronos...

So the organimation set doesn't use samples?
It means "your mileage may vary." The Kronos doesn't need the samples, it has the CX-3 engine built in. Organimation also doesn't use samples for the Motif or M50. There are no samples except for the M3 version!
can the Kronos not load the samples though?

Of course it can. The Organimation product for the Kronos just doesn't use samples.

apex · Post by **apex** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:46 pm

BillW wrote:
apex wrote:
BillW wrote: It means "your mileage may vary." The Kronos doesn't need the samples, it has the CX-3 engine built in. Organimation also doesn't use samples for the Motif or M50. There are no samples except for the M3 version!
can the Kronos not load the samples though?
Of course it can. The Organimation product for the Kronos just doesn't use samples.

So you're saying he just programmed his own cx-3 programs and called it organimation? hm.... I want to listen to those demos. I know the organimation set for the m3 was KILLING!!!

PinkFloydDudi · Post by **PinkFloydDudi** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:47 pm

apex wrote:
BillW wrote:
apex wrote:what does YMMV mean?

also, I thought that Organimation was a sample set that he designed for the m3 and then just ported it over to Kronos...

So the organimation set doesn't use samples?
It means "your mileage may vary." The Kronos doesn't need the samples, it has the CX-3 engine built in. Organimation also doesn't use samples for the Motif or M50. There are no samples except for the M3 version!
can the Kronos not load the samples though?

Point being - why load samples for something that is already there. You are probably better off finding some of the excel sheets floating around which give some specific parameters to set to get the sounds you want - that is all Organimation would do on the kronos.

DaveBoulden · Post by **DaveBoulden** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:52 pm

PinkFloydDudi wrote:You are probably better off finding some of the excel sheets floating around which give some specific parameters to set to get the sounds you want - that is all Organimation would do on the kronos.

Actually, I think Organimation has made a much better job of the effects, especially the distortion, than the stock presets.

apex · Post by **apex** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:16 pm

yea, but organimation is samples of a b3... not samples of a cx-3 right...

i know there are some similarities, but at the same time they are NIGHT AND DAY...

DaveBoulden · Post by **DaveBoulden** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:28 pm

The M3 version did use samples of the tonewheels, but I'd doubt there's enough differnce between them and the modelled tonewheels of the CX-3 to make any difference... a lot of the character comes from the combination of drawbars, effects and the all important Leslie. I've owned Organimation on a Yamaha Motif ES, Korg M3 and now a Kronos... they all sound like the same Organimation product, whether it uses it's own or onboard samples doesn't seem to make any really discernable difference... they're all emulating a classic tonewheel organ after all!

drama1 · Post by **drama1** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:53 pm

We're probably not supposed to be talking about K-S***** here, but I go back and forth weather to purchase the organ and piano samples he has for the M3. From what I have heard on youtube, it stands up to any hardware board out there, especially the piano he has. IMHO. The combo of the two are $160.00, a little steep. If he offers a sale I might bite the bullet.

burningbusch · Post by **burningbusch** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:34 pm

You don't want to use samples if you can avoid it in B3 emulations. The problem is, when you're piling these sine wave samples on top of each other, as you would in a drawbar simulation, they need to be phase-lock otherwise you get phase cancelation.

Here's an example from a Yamaha XS and you can hear the tone changing all over the place.

This doesn't happen within the CX-3 organ.

XS Organ

Busch.

Phinnin · Post by **Phinnin** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:01 pm

You can definitely find a great B3 on the CX-3. Three different Amp models, each one allowing intensity and gain characteristics. Mix, Depth and Speed parameters for the V/C. Rotary parameters to include horn and rotor: Fast speed, slow speed, acceleration, deceleration, mic distance and spread, Horn and Rotor balance, Horn and Rotor stop Phase.

Add to that a control surface that allows you to toggle all of this "on the fly" with 9 sliders to act as drawbars. You don't even need more then one preset if you want. Just work it as you would the real thing. It even has the sexy drawbars on the screen so you can visually see what you've done.

Not sure organimation will give you that level of control, even if it's tonally super strong.

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