Sequencer Volumes "Help pls"

Rskeys · Post by **Rskeys** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:53 am

Hi guy's. I', preparing a gig with my trio and i will be using backtraks, so i'm using Songs so i can change sounds with no interruption in the song but i'm running into a problem, when i change songs if i come back to the previous all volumes are set to 127... Shurely i'm missing a very basic step...

I hope you guy's can help me with this problem.

Best Regards,

Ricardo

Rskeys · Post by **Rskeys** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:20 am

Really getting frustrated with this and the solution must be anoyingly simple....

SeedyLee · Post by **SeedyLee** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:31 am

It is simple, but takes a little bit of understanding of how the sequcner and control surface work.

I'm at work at the moment, but will be happy to help once I'm home - but I'm sure someone will beat me to it!

firstlovedan · Post by **firstlovedan** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:21 am

Well, I am new, but if the kronos doesn't remember volume settings, try inserting a midi comand at measure 1, and beat 001. Try CC 7 100. CC tells it you are giving tge track a 'Continuous Controller' message, and 7 is the code to let it know that the command will be volume. 100 is the amount. You have from 1 to 127. I have always set my main instrument (piano, ac. Guitar, etc) to 100 this gives me sime headroom. Set the bass as CC 7--- 90 depending on the bass. Now, it doesn't matter what other songs or settings you use.... When you return to that first song it will remain the same.
Hey, 'The Song Remains The Same'! Sounds like a great song title!! Well, hope that helps.
Firstlovedan

Rskeys · Post by **Rskeys** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:30 am

firstlovedan wrote:Well, I am new, but if the kronos doesn't remember volume settings, try inserting a midi comand at measure 1, and beat 001. Try CC 7 100. CC tells it you are giving tge track a 'Continuous Controller' message, and 7 is the code to let it know that the command will be volume. 100 is the amount. You have from 1 to 127. I have always set my main instrument (piano, ac. Guitar, etc) to 100 this gives me sime headroom. Set the bass as CC 7--- 90 depending on the bass. Now, it doesn't matter what other songs or settings you use.... When you return to that first song it will remain the same.
Hey, 'The Song Remains The Same'! Sounds like a great song title!! Well, hope that helps.
Firstlovedan

Hey Firstlovedan, thank you for the help. That definatly works although i find it curious that the kronos doesn't memorize mix settings on it's own....

If anyone knows a way arround this dont be shy...

jg:: · Post by **jg::** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:09 am

Some further detail on specifically what you're doing might be helpful.

For example, are you taking an existing MIDI file, and loading it into the Kronos?

jg::

Shakil · Post by **Shakil** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:13 am

Are you saving the song after changing mixer settings?

Also, make sure the controllers and system exclusive messages are not filtered under Global MIDI settings.

Rskeys · Post by **Rskeys** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:59 am

Shakil wrote:Are you saving the song after changing mixer settings?

Also, make sure the controllers and system exclusive messages are not filtered under Global MIDI settings.

Yes i tried that, same result. Controllers and system exclusive messages are all enabled.

I'm not actually recording anything, i'm seting this up to play live with backtracks. My process is as following:
Copy the combi to a song,Insert the audios,try everything out, ajust the mix then save song.

When i load the song every midi track volume is at 127.

Thank you all for your help.

jg:: · Post by **jg::** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:18 pm

I just tried this, well, without loading any audio into the audio tracks.

But with basic MIDI tracks, copied from Combi or not, I adjust the volumes, select a different song, and on return to the first song the volume levels are exactly as I set them. If I save the .sng file and re-load it, all volume levels are again exactly as I set them.

This is what I expected. So I'm not sure what you're experiencing here.

Is MIDI In or Out connected to anything?

jg::

Rskeys · Post by **Rskeys** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:19 pm

jg:: wrote:I just tried this, well, without loading any audio into the audio tracks.

But with basic MIDI tracks, copied from Combi or not, I adjust the volumes, select a different song, and on return to the first song the volume levels are exactly as I set them. If I save the .sng file and re-load it, all volume levels are again exactly as I set them.

This is what I expected. So I'm not sure what you're experiencing here.

Is MIDI In or Out connected to anything?

jg::

Are you in 1.5 OS or 1.6???

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:06 pm

TBH, I find it weird. As I understand, you're saving the Song after you set the levels as you wish. However, those levels won't be saved.

However there's something I haven't fully understood about your workflow: Are you loading WAV files on the 16 audio tracks? Take in consideration that there are separate volume/pan levels for 16 MIDI tracks (you're not using those) and for the 16 audio tracks (make sure you're adjusting level of those)

For other possible reasons, maybe you unintentionally recorded the levels to 127 on each audio track and therefore your levels are being reseted when you Play, even without changing the current Song. Does this happen to you?

Also, the solution of recording initial levels on each audio track seems a good workaround for this issue, but certainly this is not a normal behavior.

Rskeys · Post by **Rskeys** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:34 pm

MarPabl wrote:TBH, I find it weird. As I understand, you're saving the Song after you set the levels as you wish. However, those levels won't be saved.

However there's something I haven't fully understood about your workflow: Are you loading WAV files on the 16 audio tracks? Take in consideration that there are separate volume/pan levels for 16 MIDI tracks (you're not using those) and for the 16 audio tracks (make sure you're adjusting level of those)

For other possible reasons, maybe you unintentionally recorded the levels to 127 on each audio track and therefore your levels are being reseted when you Play, even without changing the current Song. Does this happen to you?

Also, the solution of recording initial levels on each audio track seems a good workaround for this issue, but certainly this is not a normal behavior.

Thank you for your help.

Well my problem isn´t with the audio tracks they work perfect. Since i'm playing live with this i set some of the midi tracks to midi channel 1 then i set the volumes i want, the tracks on other midi chanels behave fine but the ones on midi C 1 dont record the volume that i set them to...

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:16 pm

Rskeys wrote:i set some of the midi tracks to midi channel 1 then i set the volumes i want

This is the issue. You must avoid setting several MIDI tracks to the same MIDI channel. While this is ok with a Combi, I don't think it's advisable for a Seq.

This because if several tracks share the same MIDI channel, then all of them must equally respond to the MIDI CC Volume and therefore it will be hard for you to set individual Volumes when all tracks are listening to the same MIDI events. You're making the Kronos to have a hard time "differentiating" which track must respond to which MIDI Event.

As I can read with your explanation, this seems to work fine, but you better avoid this because at a later stage you may get other kind of weird results.

If you want layering, try with KARMA: there's a way to redirect your keyboard input to other MIDI and this is commonly done on Combis. I understand you can't use a Combi because you're playing WAV files which are fired at specific moments while the song is being played, right?

Rskeys · Post by **Rskeys** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:43 pm

MarPabl wrote:
Rskeys wrote:i set some of the midi tracks to midi channel 1 then i set the volumes i want
This is the issue. You must avoid setting several MIDI tracks to the same MIDI channel. While this is ok with a Combi, I don't think it's advisable for a Seq.

This because if several tracks share the same MIDI channel, then all of them must equally respond to the MIDI CC Volume and therefore it will be hard for you to set individual Volumes when all tracks are listening to the same MIDI events. You're making the Kronos to have a hard time "differentiating" which track must respond to which MIDI Event.

As I can read with your explanation, this seems to work fine, but you better avoid this because at a later stage you may get other kind of weird results.

If you want layering, try with KARMA: there's a way to redirect your keyboard input to other MIDI and this is commonly done on Combis. I understand you can't use a Combi because you're playing WAV files which are fired at specific moments while the song is being played, right?

I have a trio with no bass and no drums so i use 4 audio tracks for those instruments, the ideia was to take advantage of the Sdd stream hence the sequencer and my need for layering sounds... Karma for layers, but since im not used to work with it and time is running short i'm working arround this placing Limiters if i have 1 or to layers on the same chanel i can mix with them

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I truelly apreciate all your help and patience with me. I gess i will have to start using Karma

teb335 · Post by **teb335** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:57 pm

I have had similar problems when have loaded in a midi file IF the tracks have a CC in bar 1 that sets the volume. An easy way to check this is to select a track, go to track edit / event edit and IF there are any CCs (cant remember the no for volume), delete them.
Then wherever you set the volume based on the control surface will be saved next time you save the song.

Hope of some use - good luck