Soft pedal with Kronos pianos

ahutnick · Post by **ahutnick** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:25 am

Do any of the pianos onboard the Kronos use the soft pedal as part of the programming? Thanks

1jordyzzz · Post by **1jordyzzz** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:39 am

you can use soft pedal... just plug your pedal into 1 of 2 assignable pedal, then go to global i guess.... dammit i forgot... you have to assign the pedal to act as a soft pedal...

EDIT
now i remember
go to global, go to controllers and scales tab.. in one of 2 pedals (foot switch / foot pedal, depending on which you plug your pedal into), assign it to soft..

ahutnick · Post by **ahutnick** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:27 am

Thanks, Being that the Kronos does respond to soft pedal control and that they're is a footswitch that can be configured as a soft pedal so I imagine that it shouldn't be too hard to program that effect into a piano program. To try to clarify if one was to plug a pedal into the Kronos and set that pedal as a soft pedal would any of the Kronos preset pianos respond to using that pedal as part of their programming without having to edit? Thanks

1jordyzzz · Post by **1jordyzzz** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:33 am

yes, the pianos (SGX pianos in particular) on kronos will immediately respond to the soft pedal..

ahutnick · Post by **ahutnick** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:01 pm

I appreciate the info!

DennyC · Post by **DennyC** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:38 pm

Great info.

JuneauUnderground · Post by **JuneauUnderground** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:50 pm

Ok . . . What's a soft pedal? Ok, ok stop laughing :3drofl:

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:19 pm

JuneauUnderground wrote:Ok . . . What's a soft pedal? Ok, ok stop laughing

Reduces the effective volume of the piano, making it 'soft'. Can't remember how it works on an uproot, but on a Grand it shifts the hammers along so they only strike two of the three strings per note. I recall on some pianos pressing the 'soft' pedal you can actually see the keys move slightly to one side.

runningman67 · Post by **runningman67** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:35 pm

JuneauUnderground wrote:Ok . . . What's a soft pedal? Ok, ok stop laughing

I'm in your gang

joe in VA · Post by **joe in VA** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:19 pm

I was taught the soft pedal was the "una-corda" pedal, or the pedal that only allows one of the three strings to be struck.

1jordyzzz · Post by **1jordyzzz** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:35 am

I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING :3drofl:

.Jens · Post by **.Jens** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:26 am

X-Trade wrote:Can't remember how it works on an uproot, ...

There is usually a bar on an upright, on which the hammers rest. This bar is moved closer to the strings when depressing the soft pedal, which results in a different mechanical action (ratio of applied force to the key and velocity of the hammer hitting the string) - the hammer has less way to travel.

1jordyzzz · Post by **1jordyzzz** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:47 pm

there are 3 pedals on a real piano.. most concert grand manufacturers uses these 3 pedal configuration=

1. Damper (most right pedal)
this pedal will lift off all the dampers from the string, causing them to ring freely.
2. Una corda / sostenuto
this pedal will make the dampers on the keys that we've pressed keep lifting.. another damper will still engage..
3. Soft pedal
this pedal will move the piano action (keybed, and hammers) to the right (on the real grand of course, not on kronos (the keybed movement)

) , so the hammers on the not on the higher register will only struck 2 strings instead of three... it changes the timbre, and makes the sound softer / quieter, because only 2 strings ring out instead of three...

danmusician · Post by **danmusician** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:07 pm

1jordyzzz wrote:there are 3 pedals on a real piano.. most concert grand manufacturers uses these 3 pedal configuration=

1. Damper (most right pedal)
this pedal will lift off all the dampers from the string, causing them to ring freely.
2. Una corda / sostenuto
this pedal will make the dampers on the keys that we've pressed keep lifting.. another damper will still engage..
3. Soft pedal
this pedal will move the piano action (keybed, and hammers) to the right (on the real grand of course, not on kronos (the keybed movement) ) , so the hammers on the not on the higher register will only struck 2 strings instead of three... it changes the timbre, and makes the sound softer / quieter, because only 2 strings ring out instead of three...

Actually, the Soft Pedal is the Una Corda, meaning one cord or string as mentioned above.

On many uprights, the sostenuto actually holds the the bass range dampers off the strings. I'm not sure if that's because the sostenuto mechanism is difficult to implement on the upright action or if it's because uprights are generally less expensive.

The bass range sostenuto is a decent compromise, since it is often the lower notes that held while the player continues to play in the treble.

DocBambs · Post by **DocBambs** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:11 pm

I have only ever seen a "real" sustaining middle pedal once on an upright - it was a long time ago and I couldn't tell you what make it was.

On uprights with three pedals the middle one is normally a practice pedal - you can tell because it has a latch which allows you to lock it in the practice position. (Usually the practice pedal puts a layer of felt against the strings to reduce the noise.

Also on uprights, the una chorda is sometimes referred to as the half-blow pedal, as it moves the hammers halfway to the strings only allowing half the throw of the hammer.

I have been using a Korg C-520 with the Kronos proving all the sound recently. It has three pedals and it's own piano can use the middle pedal. I wonder if it passes the sostenuto to the Kronos...

DB