CopyRights and Sharing

[BasariStudios]

I know there is another similar to this but this is a little different:

I see people in here share commercial Libraries...all i wanna know is if it is
Legal or Not...the reason i am asking is to know so i can share something
too being that i am a Commercial Company and they keep an eye on me
more then just anybody else.

Thanks

[QuiRobinez]

In my opinion if you are a commercial sound designer, i wouldn't go that way.

create your own sample sets and create sounds from those. By simply copying an akai preset and sell or share that as a commercial company i think you will get in trouble.

The way i work now is to create sample sets from my own hardware and consider these sample sets as ROM Refills. So these sample sets are the base of new sounds i'm creating. The benefit of this for me is that i have a completely different sound palet to work with. Over these new samples i use the strong points of the Kronos to create new sounds with them. Sometimes i resample a sound to create new samples with them again.

It's really inspirational to work this way. And the Streaming possibility is such a great feature that the sample refills are a joy to work with. The best part of this is that people can also create their own sounds with those sample refills.

So my advise, don't share akai presets as a commercial company.

[.Jens]

I see people in here share commercial Libraries...all i wanna know is if it is
Legal or Not...

I don't exactly get your point: I didn't see anyone sharing commercial libraries. There are some links to commercial libraries and sound examples involving those libraries. And there are some free libraries - which are excellent and not a single step behind "commercial quality", but still free.

But - apart from the fact that it would not be legal to share libraries without permission - what thread(s) are you referring to?

[BasariStudios]

Maybe both of you missunderstoof me:

Qui, i mean strictly for Sharing, not selling, i am a bit sceptical even about sharing.
Jens, in the last few days, all these Libraries for share you think people created
them in few days? They are all Copies from existing commercial Libraries,
thats exactly what i meant by commercial cuz thats what they are maybe
some of them are free but not all and god knows whats behind and where
they come from, you find something in the internet free but maybe someone
else copied it and post it for free share.

My question is simple:
If i resample a Sound from Kontakt, Halion or if i get an Akai CD like ILIO
and convert it to SF2 or if if i resample my Ultranova presets or my MS20
presets and strictly share them on here...would that be illegal?

As you can see now all of the above Libraries are commercial and thats what
people are actually sharing. Its another thing as Qui mentioned to resample
and then reedit coming up with something completely different.

Thanks

[QuiRobinez]

Maybe both of you missunderstoof me:

Qui, i mean strictly for Sharing, not selling, i am a bit sceptical even about sharing.

i didn't misunderstood you

my advice stays the same, as a commercial company i would say: don't take the risk, why would you want to do that?

In my opinion focus on the strong points of creating your own soundsets for your own company.

[BasariStudios]

Thanks Qui, i am affraid too...its kinda funny...and since i've done commercial
work for few Companies they are kinda always watching me if i resell things that
i did for them or even if i share...
On some of the Material the rights still belong completely to me but on most i sold
the rights completely to them.

[JPWC]

I have to agree with QuiRobinez.

Don't share something that not yours (legally speaking).

[QuiRobinez]

but don't get me wrong, if people here find great free soundfonts online and convert those to a Kronos soundset and share those, it's fine by me.

I also found some killer guitar soundfonts that i'm love to use. But i think different rules applies for commercial companies. When you download free soundfonts you don't know the origin of the samples so as a commercial company sharing those free soundfonts can be a risk.

As a private person i wouldn't worry too much about that.

[SynthKeyWizard]

all these Libraries for share you think people created
them in few days?

For example, all of my libraries I created a long time ago. But now, with OS2.0 I have a possibility to covert them to the new format "User Bank". I don't think it was a crime.

If i resample a Sound from Kontakt, Halion or if i get an Akai CD like ILIO
and convert it to SF2 or if if i resample my Ultranova presets or my MS20
presets and strictly share them on here...would that be illegal?

As for this, if you resample a Sound from Kontakt, Halion or if i get an Akai CD like ILIO and convert it to SF2 - this would be illegal.
But if you resample any of your hardware and create library of these samples - this would be legal.

[.Jens]

Jens, in the last few days, all these Libraries for share you think people created them in few days? They are all Copies from existing commercial Libraries,...

I don't think so. If that would be the case, of course the redistribution as Kronos user bank would be illegal for any other than the holder of the original rights.
But I rely on the statement of the people sharing these libraries that thes only contain their own work.
I see your doubts stemming from the sheer release pace - but as Dmitry already said: Many of these libraries are known (at least from youtube examples) for a longer time. Converting already existing libraries into the convenient user bank format is just a matter of minutes to hours each, depending from where you start (raw samples, already prepared samples that have to be mapped, sound fonts, or "old" format Kronos sample banks).

In the end, it's the responsibility of the guys sharing those libraries not to violate any copyrights. But unless we really know better, we should not blame them! I appreciate the work of Qui, Dmitry, Purgatory Creek and others and don't like them being discredited for no reason...

[BasariStudios]

Thanks guys.

[burningbusch]

all these Libraries for share you think people created
them in few days?

For example, all of my libraries I created a long time ago. But now, with OS2.0 I have a possibility to covert them to the new format "User Bank". I don't think it was a crime.

As for this, if you resample a Sound from Kontakt, Halion or if i get an Akai CD like ILIO and convert it to SF2 - this would be illegal.

Please explain the REMARKABLE similarity between your upright and the one in the Kontakt Piano Collection: 1st is Kontakt followed by your upright recorded from the Kronos.

NI vs. SynthKeyWizard

Busch.

[apex]

here we go with this grey area again... (only this time in another thread)....

all these guys we have on this forum and not one person can speak for sure for the law point of view of what is and is not legal?

it is an obvious grey area.... I've heard guys say that it ALL depends on the ULA (user license agreement)

example: I'm told that you're NOT supposed to be able to resample the ROM of the motif boards... or the presets that are created using them.

does that make sense?

or sample libraries that say you can use the samples freely as long as it's not for commercial use?



seriously? c'mon....

[KorgisKing]

SynthKeyWizard thanks 4 sharing the quality sounds u have create

[SynthKeyWizard]

all these Libraries for share you think people created
them in few days?

For example, all of my libraries I created a long time ago. But now, with OS2.0 I have a possibility to covert them to the new format "User Bank". I don't think it was a crime.

As for this, if you resample a Sound from Kontakt, Halion or if i get an Akai CD like ILIO and convert it to SF2 - this would be illegal.

Please explain the REMARKABLE similarity between your upright and the one in the Kontakt Piano Collection: 1st is Kontakt followed by your upright recorded from the Kronos.

NI vs. SynthKeyWizard

Busch.

These samples i received from my friend(like many other samples) in Halion format. He makes these files for personal use(he works at recording studio in Kiev, Ukraine), and I had to resample them, because he made them in wrong(old) format. Where from he get those samples - I don't know. But, he assured me that I am free to use them.

If I have violated copyright - please tell me, and i'll delete these libraries. But I just wanted to extend the sound palette of Kronos and to share my work with all of you. This work is quite difficult and time-consuming. So I would not like that it was lost. But if I have violated copyright - just notify me.

At the moment I have not ability to sample real instruments, thats why I have to use third-party samples. But when I have such an opportunity - I sure did not violate the copyright. For example, in the near future, I plan to invite my friend, and make record session with his acoustic and electric guitars to create new library for Kronos. This work is more difficult, but this brings even more satisfaction I'm not newbie in sampling, and this work is very pleasant for me. And if anybody have free samples - I'll glad to create library of them.

That is my opinion. If I'm wrong - correct me.

P.S. Sorry for my bad english.