krome allows finger to control onscreen slider but Kronos no

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krome allows finger to control onscreen slider but Kronos no

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I just watched a video of the Krome and noticed like my older M3 which i don't own any more you could touch a onscreen slider and drag it up and down. Now have I missed something on the Kronos cause that doesnt work on mine. If so is the Kronos touch screen in someways inferior to my old M3 and the Krome?
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The touch screen has nothing to do with it. It's the OS line of development.

If you look at things from a development line point of view, the OASYS and KRONO run an OS that is from a certain new line of development. Lets call that PC Based (Linux) for example.

Where if you look at the KROME, or the M3. The OS they run is more from the traditional KORG line we have seen in past workstation, Triton Series, Trinity Series and so on. Lets call that “dedicated hardware” based.

So you have technically two lines of development. While it's obvious KORG could made KRONOS screen respond in the same way, that requires development and GUI work. Fine, no problem there, but the time they spend doing that means they are not working on other things which might be of far more interest to the overall user base.

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Sharp wrote:The touch screen has nothing to do with it. It's the OS line of development.

If you look at things from a development line point of view, the OASYS and KRONO run an OS that is from a certain new line of development. Lets call that PC Based (Linux) for example.

Where if you look at the KROME, or the M3. The OS they run is more from the traditional KORG line we have seen in past workstation, Triton Series, Trinity Series and so on. Lets call that “dedicated hardware” based.

So you have technically two lines of development. While it's obvious KORG could made KRONOS screen respond in the same way, that requires development and GUI work. Fine, no problem there, but the time they spend doing that means they are not working on other things which might be of far more interest to the overall user base.

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yes i get that i was just making sure i hadnt missed something seemed odd that the Flagship lacked that but the half price cheaper has it of course the Krome lacks sliders so it is not a big deal just i never thought of it till my friend came for a play and tried to slide a virtual slider onscreen. Its all about people buying touch screen devices and getting use to those and then trying to do what their iPad etc does. It's natural to attempt this and confusing when it doesn't work for them.
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shaneblyth wrote: Its all about people buying touch screen devices and getting use to those and then trying to do what their iPad etc does. It's natural to attempt this and confusing when it doesn't work for them.
Yes, I keep touching my tv screen to pause/play the video.... ;-)

Agree... multi-touch zooming/tracking and sliding would be great on KRONOS.
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I must be honest, the touch screen almost slows you down because you have to touch a parameter and then use the data wheel, slider or increment buttons to change. I wish there buttons to move around the screen rather than having to press the screen - which isn't that responsive!
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vinylwizard wrote:I must be honest, the touch screen almost slows you down because you have to touch a parameter and then use the data wheel, slider or increment buttons to change. I wish there buttons to move around the screen rather than having to press the screen - which isn't that responsive!
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Post by firstlovedan »

I was working on my Fantom G and caught myself as I constantly touched the screen! Funny how you get accustomed to something so easily!
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Just kick that old OS out of the door Korg and write a new one. This legacy code will die with your customer base of 40+ guys.
And Sharp is wrong: The UI of a system is the first thing that should be updated. You just hide this crap behind a 'steep learning curve'. You know and use this UI since 1995? So you are not able to see the truth anymore.
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Saxifraga wrote:Just kick that old OS out of the door Korg and write a new one. This legacy code will die with your customer base of 40+ guys.
And Sharp is wrong: The UI of a system is the first thing that should be updated. You just hide this crap behind a 'steep learning curve'. You know and use this UI since 1995? So you are not able to see the truth anymore.
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Saxifraga wrote:legacy code will die with your customer base of 40+ guys.
I don't plan on dying just yet Sax. :roll:
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Saxifraga it's clear you have a personal grudge against KORG. You don't own a KRONOS and you don't even participate in the forum really with anyone else on any meaningful level any more.

Seems your only purpose at this stage is to come here, find a thread you can fart in, and stink the place with negativity towards KORG.

On any other forum you would have been kick out for trolling long ago.

Your not far off that happening here. I suggest you find some purpose for your time on the forum. This is a community for fellow musicians to hang out on and enjoy. I don't care what keyboards you own. You don't have to own a KORG, but nobody wants a troll taking a dump in every thread and stinking up the place.

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Post by Dany »

A strong community should be able to handle a member like Saxifraga!

Apart from his questionable style of communication, he is basically right.

When I purchased my first OASYS in 2008, I did complain several times on the forum about the lack of real-time control via touchscreen compared to the then released new M3 OS, which does offer this function.

I also did complain several times about the sad fact, that one cannot access Program edit in Combi or Seq mode (which I was used to have on my Yamaha SY-77/99 from 1989/91!).
This is the main reason, why I never use the internal sequencer (apart from rare instances) and why I prefer Program to Combi mode.

It is also sad, that the HD-1 engine cannot be combined with an EXi engine within a program, which offers two slots. It is also annoying that it isn't possible to store HD-1 and EXi programs in the same bank, just like the fact that drum edit works only in Global mode...

But I am quite certain that the future successor of the Kronos will offer all this functions...

So let's wait until 2016...

PS: Apart from all this flaws, I did even buy a second OASYS, which says it all... ;)

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@Sharp

I think Korg needs some pressure to do new things and to not package old things in shiny new packages with the same outdated crap inside.
But if all are ready to buy the same old 1995 stuff again and again you will get it. Obviously most here are fanboys and don't like dissent. As you may have noticed I don't post very often here so why the strong words? I never attacked you personally just the points you or Korg made.
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Post by padking »

When you buy the ''flagship'' keyboard of a
Cie, you expect , to have the best.

Sure the Kronos is a great workstation
(I do have one) but Korg has a funny vision
as far as I am concern.

Apart from the advantages of the cheaper
synths there's some very annoying move
from Korg

- Almost all the combis that came with
the Kronos are Oasys combis, I mean
you buy the best and you get copies off
the ''old'' best.
-How come Korg offer's free combies to
Krome buyer's (triton) they never gave
one free patch, to the Kronos owners.
Sure it's not the end of the world, but
it's kinda cheap.
-This forum is full of complaints concerning
the interface, not much reaction from Korg.
It's look's like ''arrested development''
from now on.

I am not a Korg basher, I bought a M1,
01w,Triton and Kronos they are all good
synths, but Korg as a funny way of thanking me.
You want improvement ? Buy a new one!
That's maybe business,but It make's me
wonder.

Is 3 years a normal lifespan for a ''flagship''
keyboard............????????

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Post by Shakil »

Dany wrote:A strong community should be able to handle a member like Saxifraga!

Apart from his questionable style of communication, he is basically right.

When I purchased my first OASYS in 2008, I did complain several times on the forum about the lack of real-time control via touchscreen compared to the then released new M3 OS, which does offer this function.

I also did complain several times about the sad fact, that one cannot access Program edit in Combi or Seq mode (which I was used to have on my Yamaha SY-77/99 from 1989/91!).
This is the main reason, why I never use the internal sequencer (apart from rare instances) and why I prefer Program to Combi mode.

It is also sad, that the HD-1 engine cannot be combined with an EXi engine within a program, which offers two slots. It is also annoying that it isn't possible to store HD-1 and EXi programs in the same bank, just like the fact that drum edit works only in Global mode...

But I am quite certain that the future successor of the Kronos will offer all this functions...

So let's wait until 2016...

PS: Apart from all this flaws, I did even buy a second OASYS, which says it all... ;)

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