Well that didn't last long!!

JeffB63 · Post by **JeffB63** » Thu May 08, 2014 7:53 pm

A couple of months back I bought a Yamaha MOXF 6 to complement my Kronos for gigging.

Nice and light. The complete soundset from the Motif XF. It even came with 512Mb of flash memory so I could use some of the samples I had in my Motif XS. It sounded great!!

But what were they thinking in putting the keybed from a toy in it?!
Thought I could get used to it but no dice.

I've got an old £50 Evolution controller keyboard with a much better action on it!

At least I managed to sell it for more than I paid in the first place.

Back to the old faithful QS 6.1 I suppose.

crazylounyc · Post by **crazylounyc** » Thu May 08, 2014 8:37 pm

I just posted this today.
2 month old Yamaha MX49 for sale (350.00 + Shipping). Never used outside its environment. Only used several times out of the box. Maintained under a keyboard cover to keep dust off. Original Packing included. All software included - Cubase AI 6 will be unregistered if possible or transferred to new owner. Reason for sale: I acquired a Korg Kronos X. PayPal only! Inbox me for more info. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccsgja0XsWE

Bald Eagle · Post by **Bald Eagle** » Thu May 08, 2014 8:38 pm

That's the problem today. The keybeds except for those in the top of the line boards feel like cheap toys. It seems to be the trend with all companies.

metallo · Post by **metallo** » Fri May 09, 2014 8:46 am

That's the reason why I prefer to buy a second hand older flagship rather than a new scaled down toy.

dfahrner · Post by **dfahrner** » Fri May 09, 2014 2:51 pm

I recently picked up a (used, mint) Yamaha MX49 for the usual reasons: to have some Motif XS sounds available in my KRONOS-based setup, have a spare, easily transportable keyboard around, etc...I'd heard the horror stories about the keybed on the MX, but figured $350 for Motif sounds wasn't bad, and I wouldn't be playing the MX keys that much anyway...but even though the MX keybed is obviously built to a price, I find it quite playable - it has more resistance than most unweighted keybeds, and I can even play piano parts on it...YMMV, of course, everyone has different ideas about keybed feel, but give it a try before you write it off...and the Motif sounds alone are worth the (low) price...

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jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Sun May 11, 2014 3:48 am

I've been thinking on and off for a while about getting King Korg. Besides the fact that I just spent a lot on upgrading my studio, I find it hard to wrap my head around the idea that the keyboard has an external power supply. It doesn't come with a real power cable? Just like a toy?

Granted it sounds great but it feels so light that I'd be worried it might break in half or bounce off of my stand during the heat of battle on stage.

Yes, I do know that there are those among us who have a lighter touch and also don't want to carry a heavy synth; however.
I need the manufacturers to understand that I play with passion and that means that sometimes I pound the keys and want to know that I need to know that the 'board that I buy must never fail under my fingers.

Bald Eagle · Post by **Bald Eagle** » Sun May 11, 2014 4:31 am

Everyone is getting spoiled. Grab a board under one arm and run down the street to the next gig. For me lightweight is 50 pounds after years of dragging around a B3

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Wed May 14, 2014 11:05 am

I just find that these lightweight keyboards feel more like toys than professional equipment.

billbaker · Post by **billbaker** » Wed May 14, 2014 7:43 pm

"More like toys"....

...because for you (me too) pro gear by definition weighs a ton. It takes some adjustment to wrap our minds around software rather than rack gear, light weight controllers rather than weighty boards with engines built in. But we also get multi effects and foot control rather than 50 stomp boxes, organs without backaches, and a gear set up that we can take in our compact cars rather than an Econoline van or box truck.

I've been really feeling my years lately with twinges and creaks where there used to be none. A lighter controller board may allow me to keep going where the mass of loading my own "real" synths would just wear me out too much.

Welcome to the future.

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jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Thu May 15, 2014 2:09 am

Oh I really know what you mean. Next month I turn 59 and lugging heavy gear is just not in the cRds anymore although I do schlep my Kronos 73 around. It's my primary keyboard.

I just found that , for example, the King Korg with it's 13 or so pounds of weight, felt like a twig even though it sounds fantastic. It just feels like it'll bounce right off of the stand.

JeffB63 · Post by **JeffB63** » Thu May 15, 2014 9:25 am

This is exactly why I've been downsizing over the last few years.

Just turned 51 and feeling every day of it.

I've now got the smallest, lightest live rig I've ever had but still struggling.

It should be easy for me because I'm not a piano player so I prefer a good semi-weighted action over piano weighted.

The best action (for me) was on my Kurzweil PC3 but that had to go due to weight and I've been searching for something lighter but with a decent keybed ever since.

I'm now getting by with two 61 key boards but really wish someone would come up with a decent semi-weighted 76 key controller with aftertouch.

I've got a Roland A37 which is nearly there (light but sturdy feeling, aftertouch) but has really strange velocity response no matter how I set it's velocity curve.

The search goes on!

SanderXpander · Post by **SanderXpander** » Thu May 15, 2014 10:13 am

The Nords are small and relatively light. I'm not sure if the Electro 73 is semi-weighted or weighted but even my Stage Classic 88 was much, much lighter and smaller than my K88. I'd recommend it. They're pricey but I liked the action and interface (should you need to use it solo).

EDIT: I just checked and the 73 is semi-weighted. You could also go for the Stage 76 which would be a hammer piano keybed. Both really good options.

neomad · Post by **neomad** » Thu May 15, 2014 10:45 am

JeffB63 wrote: Back to the old faithful QS 6.1 I suppose.

Oh yes, QS 6.1 rocks. I still use my Kronos for gigs, but I need 'light' keyboard to practice with the band during the week. I was also using my Fusion 6hd, but it's likely quite heavy to move with it.

So I was thinking to buy a MOX, or Korg PS 60, a Roland Juno Di or even an 'old' M50... (I need a synth, not a WS).. but 'lightweight' synths keybed are worse than toys !

Should I wait for Korg replacement of PS 60, X50? ... should I go for MOX?... back to QS 6.1/2 ? (even if sound set it's quite old this days)

Do not really know what to buy ...

JeffB63 · Post by **JeffB63** » Thu May 15, 2014 11:23 am

The sound set of the QS 6.1 holds up suprisingly well considering it's 15 years old!

And yes, the Fusion 6HD is surprisingly heavy for it's diminutive size. It sounds great though. I used it live until one of the keys stopped sounding. Keep meaning to dismantle it for cleaning but never seem to get the time.

dfahrner · Post by **dfahrner** » Thu May 15, 2014 6:50 pm

JeffB63 wrote:I've got a Roland A37 which is nearly there (light but sturdy feeling, aftertouch) but has really strange velocity response no matter how I set it's velocity curve.

Check out MIDI Solutions' Velocity Converter ( http://www.midisolutions.com/prodvel.htm )...it's a small inline MIDI - powered box that lets you adjust a MIDI output velocity curve just about any way you want...

I use an A37 with the KRONOS 61, too, but if you really want a light setup, get a Yamaha MX49 to go with the A37 (67 year old keyboard player talking here)...

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