Karma Kronos software: using more than 4 KARMA modules ?

[chini]

Is anyone here using the Karma Kronos software to add extra Karma modules for live play?

There are 6 modules displayed in the "Realtime Controls" window in the software and I read somewhere it was even possible to set up "mega" combies that gave access to playing up to 10 independent KARMA modules from the KRONOS!

I can not find any info on how to do this. Anyone got any ideas?

[Ksynth]

Stephen Kaye will probably add to your post or perhaps contact him through the Karma-Labs Forum?

I think (and I am not sure about this) the 6 karma parts are only possible if you have a PC, Mac running in conjunction with your Kronos so live work can perhaps be a bit more complicated.

[chini]

Stephen Kaye will probably add to your post or perhaps contact him through the Karma-Labs Forum?

I think (and I am not sure about this) the 6 karma parts are only possible if you have a PC, Mac running in conjunction with your Kronos so live work can perhaps be a bit more complicated.

Hi there! I use a MacBook pro in my live rig so thats not a problem. I have tried posting on Stephens site some time back with no reply on that occasion!
That's why i tried here. Obviously Stephen would be able to answer the question immediately but I can understand how he must be inundated with queries having designed such a wonderful if complex tool!

I'm actually needing the extra modules to use in a song which needs to repeat 2 separate consecutive melodies 4 times. The GEs Im triggering are fixed key melody lines I created in Karma Kronos that are repeated throughout the song. I have the combie copied into a song sequence slot as well as I am thinking that I can run the entire drum part as a midi track in the sequencer while playing the chords/triggering the melodies, or in the combie version recording the drum part as a stereo audio file that can be assigned to one of the timbres. I would prefer top use the sequencer version if possible and indeed I have just thought that I could possibly harness the use of RPPR as well to trigger some of the melody lines! Using the combie version I will be forced to make an audio recording of the drums that I would trigger from one of the timbres because drum patterns are unfortunately limited to 99 bars!

I have all modules set to "1st" triggering because the karma zones are within areas of the keyboard I am actually playing so there is only so far one can link the modules to trigger eachother using both the "Trigger by Module" and "Cutoff Module" settings. With carefully programmed Karma triggering I am able to get one module to trigger the repetition of another until the maximum possible chain of these events runs out. The song is 5 minutes long. I am already using up the 4 modules in the Kronos to get half way through the song so far. I have toyed with the idea of using a pedal to reset all the modules (assigned in the "Dynamic Midi" page) but the trouble is I dont have a break in the music where I could do this without upsetting the sequence!

[Ksynth]

Stephen Kaye will probably add to your post or perhaps contact him through the Karma-Labs Forum?

I think (and I am not sure about this) the 6 karma parts are only possible if you have a PC, Mac running in conjunction with your Kronos so live work can perhaps be a bit more complicated.

Hi there! I use a MacBook pro in my live rig so thats not a problem. I have tried posting on Stephens site some time back with no reply on that occasion!
That's why i tried here. Obviously Stephen would be able to answer the question immediately but I can understand how he must be inundated with queries having designed such a wonderful if complex tool!

I'm actually needing the extra modules to use in a song which needs to repeat 2 separate consecutive melodies 4 times. The GEs Im triggering are fixed key melody lines I created in Karma Kronos that are repeated throughout the song. I have the combie copied into a song sequence slot as well as I am thinking that I can run the entire drum part as a midi trackin the sequencer while playing the chords/triggering the melodies, or in the combie version recording the drum part as a stereo audio file that can be assigned to one of the timbres. I would prefer top use the sequencer version if possible and indeed I have just thought that I could possibly harness the use of RPPR as well to trigger some of the melody lines! Using the combie version I will be forced to make an audio recording of the drums that I would trigger from one of the timbres because drum patterns are unfortunately limited to 99 bars!

I have all modules set to "1st" triggering because the karma zones are within areas of the keyboard I am actually playing so there is only so far one can link the modules to trigger eachother using both the "Trigger by Module" and "Cutoff Module" settings. The audio drum backing is 5 minutes long. I am already using up the 4 modules in the Kronos to get half way through the song so far. With carefully programmed Karma triggering I am able to get one module to trigger the repetition of another until the chain of these events runs out. I have toyed with the idea of using a pedal to reset all the modules (assigned in the "Dynamic Midi" page) but the trouble is I dont have a break in the music where I could do this without upsetting the sequence!

If you use the Karma editing software with your laptop you will be able to run 6 Karma parts.

I don't know about running 10 Karma parts as your original post mentions.

[chini]

Sure! but how exactly does one go about setting this up?

[Ksynth]

Follow the tutorials in Karma software for a start. Stephen also has tutorials on karma-Lab specific to Karma software if I recall.

There is Help built in / manual.

Its not hard (have not used it for some time) and you just activate the 5th and 6th Karma parts. By default those are off / muted. Select the karma features you want for those parts.

Save that patch as you go of course.

[Ksynth]

http://www.karma-lab.com/karmasoft/kk/docs.html


The entire current set of documentation for KARMA Kronos Software (manual and tutorials) is provided with the program when you purchase it. It is also provided here for prospective customers and interested parties who have not yet purchased the software. And as new tutorials are released, registered owners can download them here as well.

KARMA Kronos Help (Manual)

This is a PDF version of the online manual. It is bookmarked according to chapters, but most of the links are not implemented - it is mainly intended for searching and printing. The online version that you open from inside the program has working links and is extensively cross-referenced.

KARMA Kronos Help 2.2.9
12-Jun-2013
KARMA Kronos Tutorials

These tutorials are included with the application, but new ones will be added here as they become available. They are PDF (acrobat) documents - click to open in your browser if your browser supports it, otherwise, right-click (Windows) or ctrl-click (Mac) to download the file to your computer.

Creating GEs with the Import To GE Editor 02-Jun-2013

Explains how to import MIDI phrases from .MID files, and turn them instantly into GEs, which can then be twisted into countless variations using all of the regular KARMA features.


Editing and Merging a Combi 04-Sep-2011

Explains how to do a number of edits to the KARMA settings in KK, edit the same combi in the Kronos, and combine the two sets of edits into one and get it back into the Kronos.


Understanding the KDF File 04-Sep-2011

Explains the internal structure of the KDF File (KK's document format), and how it relates to the PCG Data (Programs/Combis) in the Kronos. This should be read along with the above tutorial on merging.


Importing your own PCG Data 04-Sep-2011

Explains how to import your own banks of Combis and Programs (or third party banks) into a KDF File for use in KK.



Mirroring the Kronos Control Surface and
KK's Real-Time Controls 04-Sep-2011

Explains how to set up the Kronos and KK so that the Kronos Control Surface controls KK's Real-Time Controls Window and vice versa, and so that selecting Programs and Combis in the Kronos select the corresponding Performances in KK.

[chini]

Hey guys! Thanks for the info!

I have all the manuals that came with the software I purchased from Stephen - just can't find anything specifically related to the extra Karma modules but I will keep looking!

I noticed one of you have indicated there is a tutorial about how to import all your PCG banks into the KK software too! I was looking for that cos for the life of me I can't remember exactly how I did this when I first used KK !

KK is a real beast but a complete joy to use once one has taken the plunge whole heartedly as I have done. Having had patch changing problems within OS3 recently I have also rediscovered the RPPR function in sequencer mode and am hoping it will avoid having to program chains of combies for live use and have one carefully constructed song making judicious use of KARMA and RPPR for a complete sound set for any particular song! Anything to make the technical triggering side live on stage that much more painless!

Cheers!

[StephenKay]

KK is a real beast but a complete joy to use once one has taken the plunge whole heartedly as I have done.

Thank you. I don't mind it "being a beast" because beasts have power.

I noticed one of you have indicated there is a tutorial about how to import all your PCG banks into the KK software too! I was looking for that cos for the life of me I can't remember exactly how I did this when I first used KK !

Note that most of the available tutorial documents are included in the program installation folder. On Windows, the Tutorials folder shows up in the Start Menu. On the Mac, simply locate the Tutorials folder inside the Applications/KARMA Kronos/ folder.

just can't find anything specifically related to the extra Karma modules but I will keep looking!

Yes, it is true that you can use the KARMA Kronos software (which has 6 KARMA Modules) together at the same time with the 4 KARMA Modules in the Kronos for a total of 10 KARMA Modules.

The reason for this is because the KARMA software is the actual KARMA engine; not some MIDI sysex editor for the keyboard. It actually replaces (and turns off) the internal KARMA of the keyboard while you are using it, and generates all of the MIDI etc. directly from the software.

So, if you are brave enough, you can re-enable the internal KARMA Modules and run them at the same time as the 6 modules in the KK software - for a total of 10 KARMA Modules.

The way you do this is to go to the KK Performance Editor > Korg tab, and uncheck the "Disable MIDI Input on Korg Kronos" checkbox. This allows the KARMA engine in the keyboard to work at the same time as the KARMA engine in the software. This checkbox is saved individually in each Performance.

Then, you go to the MIDI Ins & Outs Editor, and change the Output Channels in the bottom right (Output Section). Then, in the Kronos, you need to set up timbres to respond on those MIDI Channels in the Timbre Parameters > MIDI page. By default most of the combis use Ch 2-5 for the KARMA Modules, since Ch1 is reserved for the stuff you play on the keyboard. So you would want to use 6-11 or later for experimenting with this.

You can read some info about this checkbox in the Help File, in the Performance Editor > Korg Kronos chapter.

Hope this helps!

[chini]

Stephen!

Thanks very much for those tips!

Hopefully this will solve the riddle for me!

Best

H

[chini]

Stephen and anyone else out there!..

Just tried to replace one of the KK banks with my own from the Kronos and I am getting this error message: "sysex buffer currently busy" ??

Does this mean the bank is not able to load?...

*UPDATE* I just switched on "Receive External Reltime Commands" on the Kronos global page and the transfer is now working! A quick browse in the manual reminded me that this box needs to be checked for KK to comunicate properly with the Kronos!

[StephenKay]

*UPDATE* I just switched on "Receive External Reltime Commands" on the Kronos global page and the transfer is now working! A quick browse in the manual reminded me that this box needs to be checked for KK to comunicate properly with the Kronos!

Actually, that setting has nothing to do with the transfer of sysex between the software and the Kronos. I think you just experienced a momentary glitch. If it happens again, and you can't seem to "clear" the status of the sysex buffer (i.e. you keep getting that message every time you try to transfer a bank), relaunch the software.

[chini]

*UPDATE* I just switched on "Receive External Reltime Commands" on the Kronos global page and the transfer is now working! A quick browse in the manual reminded me that this box needs to be checked for KK to comunicate properly with the Kronos!

Actually, that setting has nothing to do with the transfer of sysex between the software and the Kronos. I think you just experienced a momentary glitch. If it happens again, and you can't seem to "clear" the status of the sysex buffer (i.e. you keep getting that message every time you try to transfer a bank), relaunch the software.

Will do! cheers Stephen!

BTW is there a specific place to discuss KK issues on your Karma-lab site rather than post here which some understandably might deem inappropriate ?

[StephenKay]

BTW is there a specific place to discuss KK issues on your Karma-lab site rather than post here which some understandably might deem inappropriate ?

It's not inappropriate, in as much as a number of people here have the KK software and might be interested.

But, there also is the Karma-Lab Forums, and there is an area for the Korg Kronos:

http://www.karma-lab.com/forum/kronos

And specifically a sub-section for KARMA Kronos (KK):

http://www.karma-lab.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=252

[chini]

... I am fairly new to this site and have already been ticked off for a number of misdemeanours! so thats's good to know!

cheers Stephen!

H