Hey Guys!
Im having problems with syncing my Electribe 2 with Ableton.
Heres the setup:
Apc 40 Mk2
Push
Roland Aira Vt3
Electribe 2
Ableton Live 9 Suite
8 Tracks limit so i dont have to change banks on the Apc while playing live.
Nevertheless i´ve got loads of effects on the 8 tracks...but ive tested the whole arrangement in a slightly different setup for months now and it seems to be stable and not to much for my computer.
This particular behavior started with plugging and syncing the Electribe 2 into the system.
Here´s how i reproduce the problem:
I get it all synced perfectly first. But when i start switching the focus back and forth between my effects on the different tracks or the tracks itself in Ableton via the Apc 40, all starts to totally get out of sync.
I can literally "desync" the whole running system, when i do this a little faster for 4-5 times in a row in a short period of time.
The cpu is at around 40% in Ableton so that cant be the reason for slowing/ desyncing the whole process i think.
Ive tried heavy using of software synths like NI Razor or Monark to see if thats the reason but that doesnt seem to jam the sync.
Its definitetly the switching of focus between the grouped Effects or tracks itself.
When i hit stop and play, its all synced again.
But anyhow - this is of course a great bummer for playing live.
Any other ideas what i could try or do to solve the problem and stabilize the operation?
All the best and thanks for your time,
Philip
Electribe 2 not in sync with Ableton Live
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I actually don't have a clue how you could stabilize your set, but I'm very interested in ideas on that topic as well.
All I can say is that I tried to integrate the e2 into my Live set for several hours and I wasn't able to find a stable setup. I have a similar setup as you have: electribe 2, Push, Bassstation II, Scarlett 6i6, Live Suite, 8 tracks, a couple of returns and a lot of effects. Live is my master (I tried it with the e2 as master and the result was even less satisfying) and I manage to sync everything perfectly, but from time to time the syncing gets out of order.
One major problem is, that there are so many variables which can introduce latency in the game: Audio interfaces, hubs, cables, plugins, etc.. And I don't have a lot of experience in syncing a groovebox with Live. But maybe we could try to narrow down our problem somehow by testing some particular setups.
First, how do you sync the e2 to Live? Via USB or MIDI (I did it over USB exclusively)? Is there a hub involved? Do you setup the e2 as External Instrument or via Ext in on an Audio track? Where did you adjust the plugin delay? Which Audio Interface do you use?
It would be interesting if you could share a stripped down version of your Live set to see if I can reproduce the issue. The idea would be to get the most stripped down Live set in which the issue is still present. I'm gonna try to do that as well as soon as I find some time.
Not very helpful, I know, but I'm very willing to get to the core of the problem together with you.
All I can say is that I tried to integrate the e2 into my Live set for several hours and I wasn't able to find a stable setup. I have a similar setup as you have: electribe 2, Push, Bassstation II, Scarlett 6i6, Live Suite, 8 tracks, a couple of returns and a lot of effects. Live is my master (I tried it with the e2 as master and the result was even less satisfying) and I manage to sync everything perfectly, but from time to time the syncing gets out of order.
One major problem is, that there are so many variables which can introduce latency in the game: Audio interfaces, hubs, cables, plugins, etc.. And I don't have a lot of experience in syncing a groovebox with Live. But maybe we could try to narrow down our problem somehow by testing some particular setups.
First, how do you sync the e2 to Live? Via USB or MIDI (I did it over USB exclusively)? Is there a hub involved? Do you setup the e2 as External Instrument or via Ext in on an Audio track? Where did you adjust the plugin delay? Which Audio Interface do you use?
It would be interesting if you could share a stripped down version of your Live set to see if I can reproduce the issue. The idea would be to get the most stripped down Live set in which the issue is still present. I'm gonna try to do that as well as soon as I find some time.
Not very helpful, I know, but I'm very willing to get to the core of the problem together with you.
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Hey!
Thanks for the reply!! Youve got something very similar going on when it comes to the setup youre using! Interesting!
Okay.. the requested details first:
* i synced via Midi cable - maybe ill try it via USB..havent thought about it yet.
* So no USB hub here... but Push and APC 40 are on a hub (maybe a source of latency?)!
* Im using a Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 (syncing the korg from its midi out)
* E2 is set up as Ext In directly. Is there a difference doing it via Ext. Instr.?
Syncing live as a slave is obviously a common bummer... live seems to be dominant and feels much better as a master
How could the stripped down version of my set look like? Because... as i can tell by now its something about the plug ins/ vsts / effects here that slows everything down... and if i share my file with you all the vst stuff is missing... or do you have Razor and Monark from Native Instruments?
By the way..where are you located?
All the best, Philip
Thanks for the reply!! Youve got something very similar going on when it comes to the setup youre using! Interesting!
Okay.. the requested details first:
* i synced via Midi cable - maybe ill try it via USB..havent thought about it yet.
* So no USB hub here... but Push and APC 40 are on a hub (maybe a source of latency?)!
* Im using a Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 (syncing the korg from its midi out)
* E2 is set up as Ext In directly. Is there a difference doing it via Ext. Instr.?
Syncing live as a slave is obviously a common bummer... live seems to be dominant and feels much better as a master
How could the stripped down version of my set look like? Because... as i can tell by now its something about the plug ins/ vsts / effects here that slows everything down... and if i share my file with you all the vst stuff is missing... or do you have Razor and Monark from Native Instruments?
By the way..where are you located?
All the best, Philip
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Hey Forums:
heres the latest news to this topic...
Obviously the Electribe 2 Midi-Ports or the MIDI-Connectors were the problem...
With the same setup and SYNC via Electribes USB port the whole system is rock steady and no more crushable when it comes to sync issues...
The only question now is:
How can i find out if its the midi ports or the connector cables that caused this?
All the best,
Philip
heres the latest news to this topic...
Obviously the Electribe 2 Midi-Ports or the MIDI-Connectors were the problem...
With the same setup and SYNC via Electribes USB port the whole system is rock steady and no more crushable when it comes to sync issues...
The only question now is:
How can i find out if its the midi ports or the connector cables that caused this?
All the best,
Philip