Z1 > Radias EXB conversion

[dcer10]

Recently I was playing with my M3 with EXB Radias on board and my Z1 and was thinking how some of the Radias sounds had a very similar 'persona' to some of my favorite Z1 sounds.

Has anyone attempted (even manually) converting Analogue Modelling programs from the Z1 (or prophecy) into Radias form (in particular the M3 expansion board)? Even as an approximation, or for that matter into the AL-1 engine on the Kronos?

I know that they are different synths with different capabilities. I just had been pondering how possible it might be to even write down the settings from a Z1 program (obv only Analogue Modelling examples) and try to get a fairly close Radias version using the Radias EXB in my M3.

Had a similar thought for my MS-2000 > Radias EXB M3.

Thought I'd ask before I waste a lot of time writing down settings etc in case its just not worth it. I had heard that the lineage of technology used in 'the blue bomber' extended to the prophecy, Z1, Oasys, MS-2000, Radias and then Kronos, so was wondering how possible it might be to translate any programs between them given potential similarities between AL1/MOSS/Radias

[foxy]

I was surprised and disappointed that no-one has responded - perhaps the Z1 and Radias are too far apart chronologically for owners of one to have the other. Do any active tweakers here have both?
I've just bought a Radias rack but have to wait for a week to start playing with it. I had been thinking that my Z1 would make an ideal controller for it as the Z1 has a fast, responsive keyboard and pretty good controller facilities.
Alas time constraints and other pressures haven't permitted much programming over recent years but it would be good to hear more on this topic.

[thehighesttree]

MMT engine can't control finer details like the level or time of specific envelope stages with other modulators (except through a mod sequence) or in such detail. The EGs even have separate time and level controls and are 5-stage in MOSS/Solo-Tri engines, which blows away the basic ADSRs in the MMT synths. That, some missing filter stuff, more basic LFO shapes, fewer physical controls, and having to use a more basic second oscillator means that you couldn't quite get all of the sounds of the Z1 on Radias, even before considering the physical-modelling side of things.

Radias is still a powerhouse with audio-in, vocoder, mod sequencing, better FX and more, but it doesn't have the obsessive micro-detailed engine of the Z1. Overall I'd say you can get very close since they have a similar sonic character, but only with certain types of patches.

[Timo]

I have both, Moss [Trinity V3] & Radias.

They share nothing. The oscillators, types, quantities, pitch-ranges, waveshaping, osc-mixing, the filter feature set (and sonics), the EG timings and curves, the LFOs, modulation sources/destinations and routing, and the effects, are all poles apart - both feature and sonic wise - as to effectively being utterly incompatible with each other.

I could elaborate and explain exactly how the synth engines are so different if you wish (although I sort of did so here), but it would go to several pages long. Other than the simplest of settings, there is a huge amount of redundancy between each other (one has features the other doesn't and vice versa, ad infinitum).

They are extremely different beasts and also sound incredibly different.