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Animal Junior Member
Joined: 13 Apr 2007 Posts: 52 Location: Estonia
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: Re: What are the Stereo Piano's like on the M3 |
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GregC wrote: | Dr.InnoVation.Bennicelli wrote: | GregC wrote: | Dr.InnoVation.Bennicelli wrote: | Fantom X will be the better option for a realistic piano sound. |
says the man who sounds ( looks ? ) like Peter Gabriel
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says the illegitimate son of hef? lol
for those that have actually played a real reputable reknown piano would say nay to an M3 piano. Fact>opinion. |
yes, Peter, stay with your CP70
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Or Rhodes
Anyway, how do M3's stock organs sound? |
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Dr.InnoVation Full Member
Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 193 Location: Deep Southern California
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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EJ2 wrote: |
And what "fact" are you pointing to? An opinion based on the fact that you played a "real reputable reknown piano" is just that - an opinion. If it is the case that you have played a "real reputable reknown piano", that is a fact for you. For the rest of us who did not witness this event, it's hearsay. And above all, you're opinion, in any stretch of logic, can never be a fact. So, your statement, 'Fact>opinion" does not apply.
In any comparison of sounds, whether we are talking about "real" pianos, sampled or pcm versions, we are relegated to the arena of perception and therefor can only make referrence to an opinion. It comes down to a matter of tastes, none of which are facts. |
Okay you make a good point. However as everything in life is subject to this idea of "perception" indeed there is a fact among opinions that need not be proven to know that someone with a touch of intellect and experience speaks the truth...Example.....
As a car enthusiast I like ALL performance cars. However I know that a 2006 Pontiac GTO which is actually a Holden Monaro in disguise IS BETTER than a Mustang GT, or the new Shelby GT that lists for approx. 40,000.00
-GTo's are no longer made, but had a price of 33,180 give or take depending on the options. Now, the perception all across America is that the Mustang is the best muscle car for the money, nevermind how poorly constructed they are or how plasticly creeky the interior is the PERCEPTION IS quite simple, a mustang IS the better choice. I know that to be TRUE, not perception but factual reality...We can take a look at sales to show this. In EVERY aspect the GTO wins, however the Mustang is the "gotta have it factor' and the American people have chosen! If 50% of the mustang owners perceive it to be the best, IS it? Or is it the best to them? I own a GTO AND I realize this is an m3 forum....I respect the M3 and what it can do, but faithfully recreate a piano with absent variables is a no go for me, and it's a shock to hear people say it's up there with (name workstation here)
The M3 is no different and is subject to the same critiques.
I guarantee you that the developers at Korg did not set out to make a realistic piano patch in the M3, hell even Ensoniq's perfect piano patch from the Zr is better and that was nearly 10 years ago. If someone has not the experience to know any better then your mission statement of relegating to the arena of perception would be correct, however there are omitted variables you haven't mentioned that pwn "perception" and they are not limited to Experience,having an ear for music, logical common sense. It is a fact that the M3 sounds nothing like a real piano.....
Velocity
Dynamics
Natural decay
Resonance Are all absent from the sound, even had they captured at the very least the sound of a real piano those attributes are missing. I am not saying this to argue, but you should take a step back and listen to a real piano then play your M3 because it isn't even close. Is an M3 a kewl board? Absolutely, just not for a pianist who KNOWS what and how a real piano should sound/play like. _________________ Keyboards: TritonExtreme88 Tweaked beyond all Recognition!
(Now available!)
Kurzweil K2600XS
SoundClick Page: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=868853 |
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klarnet basowy Senior Member
Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 279 Location: Italy
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Dr.InnoVation.Bennicelli wrote: | It is a fact that the M3 sounds nothing like a real piano.....
Velocity
Dynamics
Natural decay
Resonance Are all absent from the sound, even had they captured at the very least the sound of a real piano those attributes are missing. I am not saying this to argue, but you should take a step back and listen to a real piano then play your M3 because it isn't even close. Is an M3 a kewl board? Absolutely, just not for a pianist who KNOWS what and how a real piano should sound/play like. |
Too many facts in your opinions... (in my humble opinion )
No electronic keyboard or software can compete will all the nuances off a real piano. Neverthless, the one in the M3 is not that bad. _________________ Kurzweil PC361
... and no Korg keybs now, we'll se in the future...
http://www.myspace.com/neogeo |
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Dr.InnoVation Full Member
Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 193 Location: Deep Southern California
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:26 am Post subject: |
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klarnet basowy wrote: | Dr.InnoVation.Bennicelli wrote: | It is a fact that the M3 sounds nothing like a real piano.....
Velocity
Dynamics
Natural decay
Resonance Are all absent from the sound, even had they captured at the very least the sound of a real piano those attributes are missing. I am not saying this to argue, but you should take a step back and listen to a real piano then play your M3 because it isn't even close. Is an M3 a kewl board? Absolutely, just not for a pianist who KNOWS what and how a real piano should sound/play like. |
Too many facts in your opinions... (in my humble opinion )
No electronic keyboard or software can compete will all the nuances off a real piano. Neverthless, the one in the M3 is not that bad. |
Wow. Would you mind telling me what other boards you own and can share a sound clip of what you do on the boards?
To be fare I'll post one of me and a tweaked Fantom if you would oblige me. _________________ Keyboards: TritonExtreme88 Tweaked beyond all Recognition!
(Now available!)
Kurzweil K2600XS
SoundClick Page: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=868853 |
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klarnet basowy Senior Member
Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 279 Location: Italy
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Dr.InnoVation.Bennicelli wrote: | Wow. Would you mind telling me what other boards you own and can share a sound clip of what you do on the boards?
To be fare I'll post one of me and a tweaked Fantom if you would oblige me.
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No, I don't oblige you to do anything..
I don't want to make a competition on which one have the longer one (in Italy we say so, but I think you can understand also in english). I've passed this age since a long time.
To be an "expert" don't allow to transform opinions in fact. Indeed, being expert should make aware someone of the margin of relativeness in many things.
Said that, I don't think to have said in the preovious post a wrong thing.
bye bye..
Ps. what a big signature.. _________________ Kurzweil PC361
... and no Korg keybs now, we'll se in the future...
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Dr.InnoVation Full Member
Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 193 Location: Deep Southern California
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. Thank God not all Italians have an attitude like yours.
I'm Italian and find it so disconcerting reading your post.
For the record comparing sounds isn't a competition, and taking it that way, the way you have says something subliminally about you.
I'm an amateur, not professional. I have experience in this sort of thing so I'm qualified to comment and while you may think my opinion isn't fact, well, real pianists would agree and wouldn't purchase an M3 strictly for the piano patches in contains. I'm so sorry you don't have thicker skin and cannot fathom the M3 piano sound being what it is. One day you may see the light. Until then I concede Ignorance is bliss. _________________ Keyboards: TritonExtreme88 Tweaked beyond all Recognition!
(Now available!)
Kurzweil K2600XS
SoundClick Page: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=868853 |
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silverdragonsound Platinum Member
Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 512 Location: Phoenix, Arizona
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:47 am Post subject: |
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Opinions are just that opinions. I have an acoustic piano that I play everyday and others I can play at work. As a former owner of a Fantom X, the piano sounds were just ok to me. Certainly better than the Triton Extreme and comparable with the M3. I would take the Fantom over the M3 but I would take the Yammy P250 over both of them. Personally I like the piano on the Yamaha Motif XS better than both the Fantom X or M3. _________________ And there was this one time at band camp...... |
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klarnet basowy Senior Member
Joined: 30 Sep 2007 Posts: 279 Location: Italy
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Dr.InnoVation.Bennicelli wrote: | Wow. Thank God not all Italians have an attitude like yours.
I'm Italian and find it so disconcerting reading your post.
For the record comparing sounds isn't a competition, and taking it that way, the way you have says something subliminally about you.
I'm an amateur, not professional. I have experience in this sort of thing so I'm qualified to comment and while you may think my opinion isn't fact, well, real pianists would agree and wouldn't purchase an M3 strictly for the piano patches in contains. I'm so sorry you don't have thicker skin and cannot fathom the M3 piano sound being what it is. One day you may see the light. Until then I concede Ignorance is bliss. |
Mmm.. bad tentative to provoke with personal considerations. This doesn't touch me more than.. a post can touch. Live good with your "certain facts".
For me it ends here.
ciao ciao _________________ Kurzweil PC361
... and no Korg keybs now, we'll se in the future...
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kbrkr Platinum Member
Joined: 06 Oct 2003 Posts: 806 Location: Savannah, Georgia USA
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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I have two requests, please!!!
One:
Can you please not hijack my thread and create a separate topic on whatever it is you guys are arguing/talking about:
Two:
To Dr.InnoVation.Bennicelli, can you please remove the photo/graphics from your tag line. It is sucking up valuable storage space on this site, taking up valuable white-space in our posts, and making message threads hard to read.
Thank you and have a wonderful Christmas and a Happy New year!! |
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EJ2 Approved Merchant
Joined: 13 May 2002 Posts: 2292 Location: Port Rowan, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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kbrkr wrote: | I have two requests, please!!!
One:
Can you please not hijack my thread and create a separate topic on whatever it is you guys are arguing/talking about:
Two:
To Dr.InnoVation.Bennicelli, can you please remove the photo/graphics from your tag line. It is sucking up valuable storage space on this site, taking up valuable white-space in our posts, and making message threads hard to read.
Thank you and have a wonderful Christmas and a Happy New year!! |
AMEN! _________________ Cheers,
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bctines Senior Member
Joined: 26 Feb 2005 Posts: 358 Location: In the Pit Bull Parlor, Staghorn Springs, CO
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Amen 2.
I've found that several of my XS7 pianos (I'm on the road and the XS is home so I can't recall all the patch names) cut through better in a live situation, unless I do a bunch of EQing on my M3-73. EXCEPT for the lower octave on the M3. That's more ballsy than the XS.
But it's also heavily related to what one uses for amplification. I tweak for a Bose PAS (for solo gigs) and a sort of generic buzzcutter for band dates that I usually have to massage for the venue.
But what beats it all for me is the feel of the M3's keybed. It's so much more fun and much less tiring than the XS.
There's another part of this for live giggers, IMO...how much more easy it is to work with the M3's screen. As Jim Aitkin recently said in EM, the XS screen is almost impossible to read at angles the M3's is OK. So when switching piano timbres (like from the 3-way AP to a tackyized honky-tonk AP, I'm less likely to grab the wrong one on the M3. This may not directly address your opening questions, but on stage it is important.
How well an AP sounds in the sterile studio is one thing. How it sounds in a loud venue is another. Maybe that's obvious, but I don't think it's terribly useful for live players to compare sounds except in the heat of battle.
Re the Fantom, I don't have one, but if it's the same as the SRX sounds, I like the XS/M3 better on stage. I do use the SRX pianos with my Keytar and the APs just don't "bite" as well.
I'll leave the drawbar part of this for later. I use combis from someone other than Korg. His name escapes me right now, unfortunately. But they are much better for country rock and jazz, IMO, even though it is so subjective. |
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