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[Belmonte]

Hello everyone

My name is Pedro. I come from the Yamaha Tyros rail and bought me a Kronos 2. In the next 30 days I have to decide if Kronos is the right device for me.

And already the questions come. How do you organize your setlists?

In my Yamaha Tyros I had a registration for each title, consisting of up to max. 8 presets. 512 registrations per folder are possible. Our repertoire currently includes about 250 songs. We rarely play the same songs during the whole evening. I.e. we react spontaneously. A fixed set list is therefore not effective. I am already working with Songbook+, but would like to be able to call up the song settings as quickly as possible without my Ipad (if it is defective,...). That's why I need a filing system, preferably alphabetically.

But in Kronos I have max 128 setlists with 128 slots. I do not understand the philosophy behind it. How do you allow this?


I am looking forward to your feedback from practice

LG Pedro

[voip]

The fact that MIDI data are 7 bits long might have something to do with it.

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[Falcon2e]

Well first of all, welcome to the forum!

I don’t think too many players have 250 songs to deal with in their setlists. You are correct, 128 per list. So, as you have suggested, alphabetically might be the way to go using two slots.
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[toeti]

For example, you could give each slot a letter? Then you have 128 songs for A, 128 songs for B, and so on.

Slot 1 = A
Slot 2 = B

This could be a way to avoid having to move everything around with new songs.

BR
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[Belmonte]

[Belmonte]

Hello Thorsten. I've thought of that, too. It's not as nice as if I had an entire list and the individual presets are hidden behind it. But apparently I have to get used to this new concept. I suspect that the "yamaha Montage" will also be similar.

LG Pedro

[exsequor699]

What about putting songs within one set list at a time? 128 set lists with 128 slots each one...Thats literally thousands of slots available, you will never ran out of slots that way.

[michelkeijzers]

Note with PCG Tools, you can automatically sort banks of programs, combis or set lists. Or a selection within a bank/list.

So copy you 250 set list slots into 2 set lists (128 slots each), save to PCG, load into PCG Tools, sort them, and load them in the Kronos.

To help easily access them, you can give them a different color when a new 'character' is starting, e.g. A = red, B = blue, C = …
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[Belmonte]

The guidelines are clear. However, I personally find it impractical. Why?

Let's say I have 200 songs. Each song has for example 4 different registrations/presets for intro, verse, chorus, bridge. That would be 800 slots!

In my Tyros, for example, I have a list of 200 songs, sorted alphabetically. One list entry per song. If I call up an entry, I have access to the different registrations/slots associated with the song.

I think this is much clearer, because at first sight I only see the song title.

Basically I do the setlist management with Songbook+. If my IPAD with Songbook should fail, I can search the songs directly at the keybaord, because I only have to search 200 alphabetically sorted entries.

But maybe I haven't realized the advantages of the setlist mode yet.

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[toeti]

One Combination has 16 timbres!

That should be enough for one song, or not? The Tyros has only 4? sounds per registration I think?

You can mute oder unmute the timbres in a combination with one button! Maybe you can get by with one Combi per song.
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[Belmonte]

Hello Thorsten

that's not what I mean.

At the Tyros I have a separate compilation for each song passage (intro, chorus, bridge) as a preset.

These presets contain the sounds, layers (max. 3), splits, volume settings,... are stored in these presets. According to my current understanding, this could only be solved via individual slots. If this is really the case, I find it very hard to get used to. But sometimes i have to change my habits.

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Greetings Pedro

[toeti]

Hi Pedro,

in my opinion you can solve this with one SetList = One Combination.

You can use 16 sound per combination:

1, 2, 3, 4 as "preset".
5, 6, 7 as "preset"
8, 9, 10 as "preset".

You can change this with the press of one button within the slot!
You have to change the presets (in one combilation) in the Tyros too, don't you?

Maybe I'm just bad at explaining what I mean. But it is definitely possible to do that with a slot.
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[exsequor699]

[SKung]

Coming from arranger keyboards by myself I think I see where the problem is:

On a arranger you have one style for a song containing variations for drum patterns, accompainment and sounds.

For example for the intro you use strings, piano for the verses and a synth lead for the solo. You switch between these variations while playing a song.

That's how a arranger works, but not a workstation. Using different setlist entries for these variations is trying to put this concept of a arranger to a workstation (Kronos, Montage, Fantom etc.) which does not work.

There are ways to switch sounds within one setlist entry, but the ways they work are different from arrangers. You could use split zones and assign them to single programs of a combination for example.

[toeti]

Yes, it's different from arrangers but it's possible.

You need a different workaround for both!
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