Kornos and MOSS options
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Kornos and MOSS options
I was wondering if Korg Kronos includes the Brass Model
Reed Model, Plucked String Model, and Bowed String Model like the MOSS board? If not, is it possible that Korg will offer them as an expansion?
Here are the moss physical modeling:
Single Size
Standard
Comb Filter
VPM (Variable Phase Moulation)
Resonance
Ring Modulation
Cross Modulation
Sync Modulation
Organ Model
E. Piano Model
Double Size
Brass Model
Reed Model
Plucked String Model
Bowed String Model
Reed Model, Plucked String Model, and Bowed String Model like the MOSS board? If not, is it possible that Korg will offer them as an expansion?
Here are the moss physical modeling:
Single Size
Standard
Comb Filter
VPM (Variable Phase Moulation)
Resonance
Ring Modulation
Cross Modulation
Sync Modulation
Organ Model
E. Piano Model
Double Size
Brass Model
Reed Model
Plucked String Model
Bowed String Model
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Re: Kornos and MOSS options
These are all synthesis techniques which will be covered by the various synth engines in KRONOS and OASYS:
Remember, except for having fun programming, or at least making programming easier, it is the end result which counts, and not the way that the sounds are arrived at. FM and related technologies in Mod7 are very powerful and can produce extremely expressive sounds just as physical modelling is known for. Similarly EP-1 is supposed to have very expressive sounds with no audible switching between layers.
ak wrote:? Comb Filter
VPM (Variable Phase Moulation)
Ring Modulation
Cross Modulation
Sync Modulation
This is available from the CX-3 synthesis engine (clonewheel organ modelling)Organ Model
Some of this will be covered by EP-1, but also STR-1 (offering excitation string modelling) can handle some of this and more. Also perhaps Mod7 can do some of this.E. Piano Model
See STR-1Plucked String Model
Bowed String Model
These are missing, but I guess Korg thinks that their sampled instruments in HD-1 and also FM posibilities perhaps with Mod7 can cover this ground. Don't knock the sounds until you try them.Brass Model
Reed Model
Remember, except for having fun programming, or at least making programming easier, it is the end result which counts, and not the way that the sounds are arrived at. FM and related technologies in Mod7 are very powerful and can produce extremely expressive sounds just as physical modelling is known for. Similarly EP-1 is supposed to have very expressive sounds with no audible switching between layers.
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Re: Kornos and MOSS options
I won't knock the sounds, but if only Korg could include something like the Wallander Instrument WIVI... I use them, and it's just incredible how realistic the sound can be... I like WIVI even better than any Eastwest or VSL sample bank!X-Trade wrote:These are missing, but I guess Korg thinks that their sampled instruments in HD-1 and also FM posibilities perhaps with Mod7 can cover this ground. Don't knock the sounds until you try them.Brass Model
Reed Model
It takes 350 Mb on the drive, 250 Mb on memory, is very light on CPU and can reproduce all sounds of Reeds, Woodwinds and Brass... What else do we need?
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Re: Kornos and MOSS options
Seems the OP is right, adding (improved) MOSS technollogy would have made the KRONOS even more complete, its a pitty its not there, but then it leaves room for improvement and expansion.X-Trade wrote:These are missing, but I guess Korg thinks that their sampled instruments in HD-1 and also FM posibilities perhaps with Mod7 can cover this ground. Don't knock the sounds until you try them.Brass Model
Reed Model
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As far as MOSS is concerned to me and as far as i understood KRONOS
Technology i am covered Programmingwise...imitating MOSS, Prophecy,
Radias, DX7 and many more things...MOSS will be left far behind...
Technology i am covered Programmingwise...imitating MOSS, Prophecy,
Radias, DX7 and many more things...MOSS will be left far behind...
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Re: Kornos and MOSS options
I think MOSS is totally cool and I programmed many great patches on it. However, I don't think all of the physical models were very convincing as imitations of their real-life counterparts and probably don't belong on this new instrument in that form. Maybe we'll get some improved models in the future...maybe not. I think the Kronos will keep me busy for some time as it is. Fun to dream about, though.Bachus wrote:Seems the OP is right, adding (improved) MOSS technollogy would have made the KRONOS even more complete, its a pitty its not there, but then it leaves room for improvement and expansion.X-Trade wrote:These are missing, but I guess Korg thinks that their sampled instruments in HD-1 and also FM posibilities perhaps with Mod7 can cover this ground. Don't knock the sounds until you try them.Brass Model
Reed Model
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Re: Kornos and MOSS options
They were not as good as fond memories make them look like in retrospect.ak wrote:Brass Model Reed Model
they were far better than samples, of course, but I wouldn't buy a 3000 bucks synth for MOSS winds.
IF we are talking about brass and winds.
If we are talking about nicely articulated synthetic sounds responding well to performance, that's another story. prophecy and z1 were very good for that.
But the prophecy saxes and bassoons? God help me.
There's a good reason why EXB-MOSS boards are selling for $600 on ebay currently, when they originally sold for $349 new and many were given away for free as a bonus on Tritons. The Z-1 is like having 2 or 3 EXB-MOSS, along with a nice aftertouch keybed and XY Pad.NuSkoolTone wrote:I don't see the point of this thread. The Z1 is HOW old? Seriously????
The Z1 is still relevant because of the MOSS engine, and that's still relevant because Korg hasn't released anything that's clearly superior in every respect. Korg could've solved this problem by making MOSS one of the 9, but they didn't. So we're left trying to figure out if KRONOS indeed can do what a 15 year old synth does. The M3 couldn't, and it's newer.
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Wivi Band - $4.99 in apple appstore. + $229 iPod Touch 4gen.SpIdErWeB wrote: I won't knock the sounds, but if only Korg could include something like the Wallander Instrument WIVI... I use them, and it's just incredible how realistic the sound can be... I like WIVI even better than any Eastwest or VSL sample bank!
It takes 350 Mb on the drive, 250 Mb on memory, is very light on CPU and can reproduce all sounds of Reeds, Woodwinds and Brass... What else do we need?
Phil
Blowing away a new workstation without breathcontrol and physical model brass: priceless
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Re: Kornos and MOSS options
xmlguy wrote:Blowing away a new workstation without breathcontrol and physical model brass: priceless
Indeed.

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yeah, why losing your breath for playing winds and brass?xmlguy wrote:without breathcontrol
what about eliminating the keys as well? You'd save on finger fatigue!
A nice mp3 of the Karajan Beethoven will cost even less.
Two earplugs, a cigar... and there you go.

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