How to synch/record 4 Karma-Modules at once in Logic 8.0?

[Charlie]

My goal: I play a chord on my Oasys and Logic Express starts in synch the recording of all 4 Karma Modules and records them as editable MIDI-data. How can this be done?

I've experimented with several Midi-Routing Setups in the Oasys Global Mode - but I couldn't even find a solution for synch/rec 1 Karma-Module.

Current (failing) setup: on the Oasys the karma external routing on the Midi-Global-page is set to "Enable MIDI In to KARMA Module" and "Enable Start/Stop Out in Prog/Combi". In Logic I've defined one track wich sends/receives on all Midi-Channels (guess I'll need 4 tracks for 4 Modules?).

Any suggestions?

[kenackr]

Charlie,

According to the manual, you can only use 1 module at a time in Program mode. It is in Combi mode that you can use up to 4.

Ken

[Charlie]

Yep - I'm aware of that. I just wanted to point out, that I even failed to record just 1 Karma Module the way I described above (= with a nice synch/record to Logic Express).

So - is there anyone who knows the tricks?

[SCHWEATS]

If I understand correctly what you want to do…
Place the Oasys in Sequencer mode > Copy the combi you are using
(Either one you created or a factory one or place the individual programs
with the respective KARMA modules into the appropriate tracks in the Oasys Sequencer) to the newly created song. Under track parameters, make sure your midi data is set to BTH under 'Status' > Setup the appropriate number of tracks in Logic and arm them. Make sure Logic is sending Midi beat clock
to the Oasys > put the Oasys into slave mode AND turn Local Control Off.
Start Logic and start playing…

Hope this helps - Schweats

[mozartella]

If I understand correctly what you want to do…
Place the Oasys in Sequencer mode > Copy the combi you are using
(Either one you created or a factory one or place the individual programs
with the respective KARMA modules into the appropriate tracks in the Oasys Sequencer) to the newly created song. Under track parameters, make sure your midi data is set to BTH under 'Status' > Setup the appropriate number of tracks in Logic and arm them. Make sure Logic is sending Midi beat clock
to the Oasys > put the Oasys into slave mode AND turn Local Control Off.
Start Logic and start playing…

Hope this helps - Schweats

Very nice, going to give it a try with another software like Sonar,

But I have a question...

if in deed on a Combi, on module A in Oasys, we would have 6 tracks going to MIDI Gch, then? what would be truly Recorded in the external sequencer?

thanks

[Anashwaran]

My goal: I play a chord on my Oasys and Logic Express starts in synch the recording of all 4 Karma Modules and records them as editable MIDI-data. How can this be done?

I've experimented with several Midi-Routing Setups in the Oasys Global Mode - but I couldn't even find a solution for synch/rec 1 Karma-Module.

Current (failing) setup: on the Oasys the karma external routing on the Midi-Global-page is set to "Enable MIDI In to KARMA Module" and "Enable Start/Stop Out in Prog/Combi". In Logic I've defined one track wich sends/receives on all Midi-Channels (guess I'll need 4 tracks for 4 Modules?).

Any suggestions?

Definitely you must check " Enable Karma Module to Midi Out", otherwise it will not send a note.
When you want to send Midi to the Oasys then you would use this configuration.
You also can check both, but then you might get a feedback which must get unchecked in your sequencer (normally the Midi through).
It exists a very good tutorial on this subject by Stephen.
Check at the Karma-lab Forum under:
"How to setup Recording Karma in External Sequencer"
Good Luck
Anashwaran

[Charlie]

Many thanks for your help - I'll give it a try.
And I will definitly check out Stephens tutorial!

[Charlie]

Hm - still couldn't give it a try. But reading Steven's Tutorial I don't see how this will make Logic to start recording once Karma starts after I hit some keys on the Oasys. If I have to start it manually by first starting the count-in in Logic and then hit the keys on my Oasys, I don't see how it will be synched.

[Charlie]

I've followed Stephens tutorial and tried several other tipps from here - but it did not work. Can anyone post the exact settings for the Oasys?
Midi Channel: 1
Local Control: On or Off?
Midi Clock: Internal or External or Auto?
Receive Ext. Realtime Commands: On
Enable Karma Module to Midi Out: On
Enable Midi In to Karma: On
Start/Stop Out: Off

And in Logic?
Midi Thru: On or Off?

As soon as I set the Oasys Midi Clock to "External Midi" Karma doesn't start to play. If I set it to Internal or Auto Midi, it plays, but it ignores the tempo of Logic and plays back in its own tempo. And I couldn't find a solution for "Press the key on the Oasys and Logic starts recording". I had always to start Logics recording first and then hit the Oasys key = no real synch. I didn't test it with a Combi but with a Drum-Program of the Oasys. I've tried both: from the program window and from the sequencer window with the track set to BTH. Nothing worked ...

[jerrythek]

Hi Charlie:


Midi Channel: 1 - fine
Local Control: On or Off? - ON
Midi Clock: Internal or External or Auto? - Auto works fine
Receive Ext. Realtime Commands: On - Since you're recording into Logic this can be OFF

Enable Karma Module to Midi Out: On - yup.
Enable Midi In to Karma: On - doesn't really matter in your instance.
Start/Stop Out: Off - Fine.

And in Logic?
Midi Thru: On or Off? - See the link below... it needs to be OFF.
This thread will help you:

http://www.karma-lab.com/forum/showthre ... adid=11418

I see you're having this discussion on both forums - you're almost there!!

Regards,

Jerry

[Charlie]

I've tried several things and followed these instructions. Bottomline:

Kay#1 (= recording Trigger-Events) works well for both, Combis and Programms

Kay#2 (= recording Midi-Events) works well for Programms out of the Programm-Mode; it doesn't work for Combis out of Sequencer mode; I've switched of Midi-Thru for the Oasys and Logic recorded lots of Midi-Events - but never exactly as it sounds in the original combi - I get strange notes in addition or sustains or bends - I'm close to giving up ...

What I couldn't find at all is a method to start the recording in Logic once hit a key on the Oasys. I have always to start the recording in Logic first and "be on time" with my hands. Editing the start-event so that it is precisely on "1" is no problem for method Kay#1, but it's not so nice for Kay#2.

(All in all the Karma-integration into the onboard-sequencer works MUCH better - but what does this help with the little editing comfort it offers. )

[mozartella]

OK, me I have something different...

I did stugy the 3 way to REC into an external sequencer, the one Stephen made a tutorial abou..it....

what I foung, something for me strange, when following the receipe, we have to turn off the Local on...and, believe it or not, when I load first the combi in combi mode, and, I do not have the Local ON, I can't hear nothing, but, some of the midi message are going into the external sequencer, in that instance, I am trying Samplitude 10 demo...When I am in Oasys sequencer mode, and do the combi upload in it and, if I do not make a mistake, at that time Oasys would switch to GM mode, and also, at that time, I do not have anymore midi rec, going in the external DAW....

I did try to in Samplitude, have the function for IN to ALL, I did try 1 IN to 1 OUT time 16 in Midi setup, I did try also, the 1 to track and for all OUT made it at 1, till 16 on each track...and, I still have the same result, if I am on COMBI mode, all the tracks would record on only track....I do understand, Karma has the ability, to send for 4 differents midi track...

thanks for any help

[GEBEBPRS]

I'm having this same issues. Any assists thru PM or email would be great.... Smaller recordings have worked,example (like a drum COMBI) other than that I have not had much luck,... at all. Anyone in the Orlando Florida Area please PM or email me.. I'll make it worth your wild,.....
Glenn

[Kevin Nolan]

Charlie -

Just a few points to bare in mind:

- I'm not certain you will be able ot start logic by playing an OASYS key. Rather, either Logic will slave to the OASYS Sequencer or the OASYS sequencer will slave to Logic. So this is a sequencer synchronization issue, and nothing to do with Karma MIDI event recording (unless running Karma GE's generate MIDI Clocks - I'll be deligthed to stand corrected on this). So the issue of syncing will only pertain to the BPM at which your slave runs - guided by which you decide to be master - not as to when the slave actually starts.

So I suspect you will manually start Locig as master, and have the OASYS as slave, meaning that the Karma modules play at the bpm received from Logic. But where in Logic the tracks start filling with events depends on when you manually start playing. You'll probably have to align them to other tracks to your desire later. Again I'll be delighted to stand corrected on this if I'm wrong - but from looking at Stephen Kay's tutorial on recording Karma data in to external sequencers, (2nd option - when on the OASYS you are in Sequencer mode to use the 4 Karma GE's effectively in a 'multi mode') he mentions nothing about syncing the start of playing of the Karma GEs with starting Logic in sync.

Note one other thing with Logic - you need to go to song preferences, MIDI, and set demix by MIDI channel. Otherwise all 4 sets of MIDI data will be recorded to one LOGIC track (layered) as distinct to being routed to separate Logic tracks, and sound a complete mess on playback.

Overall I'm not sure how you can 'sync' the start of Logic recording with the press of a key on the OASYS - perhaps exploring Stephen Kay's 1st option (recording the performance of Karma GE's when in Combi Mode) will work, where by Logic is slaved to the OASYS and when you play the Karma GEs they start Logic? But I suspect not.

Alternatively - record into the OASYS sequencer and then slave Logic to the 4 recorded OASYS sequencer tracks - but I'm not sure what that buys you as you'll have to realign the Karma GE MIDI data in the OASYS sequencer to bar lines also (unless the OASYS sequencer can be started by a key stroke - I can't remember?).

In summary, I suspect you'll get 4 Karma GE data sets into Logic easily if you follow Stephen's tutorial exactly, and set Logic to demix by midi channel, but syncing initiation of Logic recording is not so certain (again I'll be delighted to stand corrected).

Regards,
Kevin.

[jg::]

It used to be a common function in MIDI sequencers to be able to start recording by pressing a key. iirc, Dr.T's KCS on Atari had this, c. 1990. That was a MIDI-only sequencer, not a DAW.

I'm not aware of any DAWs with this functionality, but it would sure be useful, if only to avoid that re-alignment that always seems to be necessary.

jg::