OASYS user pissed off :-((

[Drunky]

I'm curious as to what fellow Oasys owners think about the current state of affairs.

Are you talking about Lehman Brothers?

[Kevin Nolan]

I'm a bit surprised there haven't been any ads (that I've seen anyway) that emphasise the fact that the Oasys now has seven DIFFERENT synthesis engines, effectively making it 7 synths in one!! (Ok, nine if you count wave sequencing and vector synthesis.)

I mean, since the introduction a total of four EXi:s have been released. Surely this would make a difference for those who read about it when it was released and thought that HD-1, AL-1 and CX-3 wasn't THAT much to write home about..

I absolutely agree with you. I think the "profile" of the users we have here and at KLF seems to reflect that. To me it's a mega synth, that rivals and surpasses many of today's dedicated synths (hard or soft). I am surprised that honey hasn't attracted more bees.

In fact, if you look at Korg's page for even their latest arrival the M50, their 'sales pitch' on what Karma software can bring to it is completely lack lustre.

Overall, while I believe Korg do a great job, I believe their Marketing Team for Workstations are:

- not musicians / composers by nature
- not in tune with their potential market and user place
- lack lustre and underwhelming in their 'grasp' of Korg's innovation, the depth and breadth of their instruments and of the 'big picture' for Korg and indeed for the workstation future market.

Yes they dot all the i's and cross all the t's; but their promotion of OASYS and its penetration into online perception, into music technology magazines and into the psyche of the music technology world has been very poor. While I accept promotion costs money; I believe it’s a little more than that – I do not believe the Korg Marketing Division have a fire in their belly’s to succeed and take on the world with their afterall ground breaking products since OASYS. Of the most innovate instruments this century, Karma, OASYS, Radias and M3 have been at the very top of the heap (especially when compared to the rehars after rehash of Motif and Fantom); but you wouldn’t think it from the way Korg undersell their products.

If I were in the M50 marketing team I'd be selling the M50 as THE workstation to purchase right now; what with its keen price yet substantial plugin capabilities but ESPECIALLY because it uses Karma. Sell ut up! Lay it on thick.

But they don't and that worries me because Marketing Divisions have a habit of controlling the perception of their organization managers, being the 'front line' in the connection with the market place.

So I believe that a lot of the lack lustre selling of OASYS has been down to poor Korg Corporate Marketing; leaving it up to the well known individuals on this forum to carry the torch.

I'd also like to see at least one person from Japan frequent this forum - and other forums – and to have gotten out there on all of those negative forums that hammered OASYS over the past few years to robustly defend it.

Evolution and Darwin have Richard Dawkings - OASYS (and synthesizer/workstation paradigm in general) needs someone like that on its side from Korg at the moment in my view; and overall their advertisment of their marvelous workstations, beyond Korg.Com, is underwhelming to say the least.

Kevin.

[rkarlberg]

So I believe that a lot of the lack lustre selling of OASYS has been down to poor Korg Corporate Marketing; leaving it up to the well known individuals on this forum to carry the torch.

Very good point. Marketing is critical to the success of any product. Why does Windows have such high market share? Only because Microsoft has done the best job marketing it. Apple has been making inroads, but still could do a much better job. Linux marketing is virtually nonexistant.

Oasys is far and away the best product on the market. Price is not a good excuse; if you consider everything it can do the value is clear. It was a good idea to use actual Oasys users in the last marketing campaign; maybe they should follow up by showing off all the new expansions.

[markwalkerjr]

windows has deep market penetration because the software is not tied to hardware like the apple operating system. This allows windows to market their product directly to huge computer resellers of all types. These sellers in turn do the marketing for windows by selling themselves to consumers and businesses. It is only with Apple's recent success that you are seeing microsoft makes its first initial and awkward forays into mega advertising. They have used a completely different business model from Apple and this stroke of genius made Bill Gates the richest man in the world and put windows on more than 90% of the computers in the world.

[przemm]

The M3 upgrade is something I have been dreaming about since buying the Oasys. Being an Oasys user, I feel a bit like an owner of a butique sports car who wanted to buy an good SUV: no rear window, no air-conditioning, no CD player - but it screams "speed". I primarily bought the Oasys as a workstation but what I got now and what Korg focused on is the ubersynth.

I love the sound. Period. But also I can visualize the creative possiblities with a properly implemented sequencer on a touch screen. I am sure that a current M3-type sequencer implemented from the very begining of the Oasys product cycle would have a vast impact on Oasys sales. I would love to do my sequencing in-the-box, especially because I am struggling with Oasys compatibility with various DAWs - I have got many serious problems with syncing, uncontrolable MIDI messages etc. in Cubase, Sonar and now in Logic. At the moment, I use a Logic 8 as a sequencer but the problem with changing banks and othe parameters limits my workflow to: sequence one track, bounce to audio. That is so lame! Of course, I can use the Oasys sequencer but I can't sync it with Logic. Why can't we have Oasys have a M3-style DAW integration - I know - no USB, no firewire - but it can be done through MIDI.

Also think about the null effect presets, a mysterious function button, etc - Oasys has got such a potential. I could easily see it as a device that will still be used in ten years. Korg, please, don't kill the Oasys but turn it into the real workstation of the future. Give us the M3 sequencer. And please do that fast.

[Stralner]

... no one will by it at this time, since they are afraid it will soon be out of produktion.

I agree.

The difference between Oasys and M3 compared to the price is to little.

I can't understand how anyone could think that, the differences are still immense. I don't agree

By the m3 a virus, a V-synth. and a legasy vst. plugin and you get much more for your money now.

I can't agree with that, there are a bunch qualities and features of the Oasys that setup doesn't bring. However I can imagine that some folks would see it that way.

You will kill the with this silence.

I do agree with this. In fact, I rather think this already happened.

I also now the O is the greatest Daz....The best f*ck*ng thing ever...but Korg is killing it.

I am sertain that the O will be behind the m3 from now on. It seems there will never be an upgrade larger that the m3, that sends a clear signal to all of us. The M3 will be the darling now. (I know something, might be valid)

Im just so angry about the fact that Korg has done this with it, we all are and Korg does not realize the disapointment in all of us Oasysians.

But them again, they did´nt pay 10.000 dollars for it. But at lest I know of this now , and can decide where my furture money goes, lots depend on what Korg does next.

I dount mind if they discontinue the O, but do they have to ruin it´s god name and fame and korgs own for that matter.

[Daz]

I hear you

[Stralner]

I hear you

Nice to be in the boat with you Daz

I wanted to play the O a while ago, It just did´nt feel right, so I played my virus TI....feelt better

[curvebender]

I'd also like to see at least one person from Japan frequent this forum - and other forums – and to have gotten out there on all of those negative forums that hammered OASYS over the past few years to robustly defend it.

On a similar note: how many of the Oasyses have been sold in Japan?.. Obviously, nobody hear can answer that, but I guess there most be some kind of japanese forum, right?

I wonder if Korg Japan takes active part in those discussions?..

We are lucky to have Jerry, Dan, Ski and Stephen to answer most of our questions.

[Arend Groot]

I also now the O is the greatest Daz....The best f*ck*ng thing ever...but Korg is killing it.

I am sertain that the O will be behind the m3 from now on. It seems there will never be an upgrade larger that the m3, that sends a clear signal to all of us. The M3 will be the darling now. (I know something, might be valid)

Im just so angry about the fact that Korg has done this with it, we all are and Korg does not realize the disapointment in all of us Oasysians.

But them again, they did´nt pay 10.000 dollars for it. But at lest I know of this now , and can decide where my furture money goes, lots depend on what Korg does next.

I dount mind if they discontinue the O, but do they have to ruin it´s god name and fame and korgs own for that matter.

It is clear you are disappointed right now. But why jump to conclusions. And I am still hopeful to see sequencer improvements in the Oasys. Maybe wishful thinking but the update in the M3 showed the possibilities

Let's not start a hype about things we don't know, let's enjoy what we have and see what's happening in the near future.

[sirCombatWombat]

I have got many serious problems with syncing, uncontrolable MIDI messages etc. in Cubase, Sonar and now in Logic. At the moment, I use a Logic 8 as a sequencer but the problem with changing banks and othe parameters limits my workflow to: sequence one track, bounce to audio. That is so lame! Of course, I can use the Oasys sequencer but I can't sync it with Logic.

I have no exparience with Logic, but my Sonar works flawlessly with my OASYS. All syncs, patch changes and even every sysex edit I do. To me your case sounds like malfunctioning midi interface, ground noise, or a bad cable.

[sirCombatWombat]

I hear you

Nice to be in the boat with you Daz

I wanted to play the O a while ago, It just did´nt feel right, so I played my virus TI....feelt better

Foul play...

[Stralner]

It is clear you are disappointed right now. But why jump to conclusions. And I am still hopeful to see sequencer improvements in the Oasys. Maybe wishful thinking but the update in the M3 showed the possibilities

Let's not start a hype about things we don't know, let's enjoy what we have and see what's happening in the near future.

Hey I know what you are saying, but I am not jumping to any conclusions..

Look at what Korg did, read between the lines....Be happy if just SOME of the M3 updates...ever get´s to the Oasys.

Face it...Korg Killed the Oasys, we are just getting the scraps now...wait and see.

I wich I am wrong...I realy do.

[sirCombatWombat]

Getting ridiculous now.

[Stralner]

Getting ridiculous now.

The truth is hard to hear, but any way, time will show us...right.