kp3 and audio routing question

[spidergod]

Hello

I am having a few problems with audio routing and my kp3.

I am using ableton 7 LE, kp3 and m-audiophile usb card

I have setup :

kp3 line out to soundcard line in
kp3 line in to soundcard line out

have setup 2 audio tracks in ableton

track 1 and track 2

track 1 is set up as ext out 1/2 no input
track 2 is set up as ext in 1/2 out to master

so I put samples or mp3s on track 1 and use the kp3 as the effects pad

Now I am getting terrible delay and echo when I try this and I cannot work out why.

I am using headphones plugged into the soundcard and not using external speakers

Any ideas?

thanks

[bsmith]

Sounds like there is latency in your audio card and that you want to figure out another way to monitor your kp3 before it gets to your computer, like use a small mixer to split the signal. If you aren't recording the signal coming out of your kp3 I wouldn't use your soundcard in at all, just monitor it off a mixer.
Another thing to do is if you can get the signal to the kp3 but not monitor the pre kp3 signal just use the kp3 (in direct) for what you monitor (use it as an insert effect essentially).

[spidergod]

cheers

yeah I think my soundcard is getting a bit long in the tooth nowadays

will see if i can sort out the latency

ah yeah the signal from the kp3 is going to track 2

[bsmith]

Try this:
Make two tracks. On the first pass record a signal that has a definite hard beginning. On the second pass run that signal through the kp3 (or just direct to be sure your kp3 truly isn't having issues) and record the output of the first track to the second track.
If you zoom in on the difference between the attack time of the first and second track you will see the 'offset' that is being experienced - measure this. I'll bet that if you record what your hearing as delays in realtime and then play it back it will sound fine - but if not dig around in ableton and there is probably an offset setting where you can enter the value you measured to correct this.
I'm a pro tools LE user, and I will often have latency due to the amount of stuff for my processor to deal with, so I'm pretty used to having the signal being recorded muted while I'm recording (because of the latency being distracting), and monitoring that signal through the (external hardware) mixer. But it plays back in sync after the record pass has been completed.

[spidergod]

ok kind of got it working i ableton

had to use the send switch on the kp3

is there anyway of factory resetting the kp3?

it is as though fx release is permently on (or it could be the soundcard as well).

thanks