Take your old sounds with you.

Post by **Sharp** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:00 pm

Hi all.
Just a tip for those of you who are getting ready to buy the KRONOS and who will be funding their purchase by selling their old keyboard.

If your anything like me then you will have certain sounds on your existing keyboard that you would like to take with you to the KRONOS. Extreme Sample Converter can pretty much fully automate 90% of the process for you.

http://www.extranslator.com

You connect your old keyboard to your PC and Extreme Sample Converter samples the sounds you select and converts them to SF2 format which your KRONOS loads directly.

All you have to do is loop the sounds and setup the Programs. I know looping is like a black art but, Extreme Sample Converter has a very strong crossfade function that makes looping a lot easier than some might think.

Regards
Sharp

Post by **Sharp** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:01 pm

Here's two other options I know about but cannot verify the quality of as I don't use them.

http://www.samplerobot.com/

http://www.soundlib.com/samplit/

Regards
Sharp.

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:40 pm

I do not have a keyboard worthy of saving anything from but for the sake of the discussion are these PC only programs? Curious because I'm a mac user and figure I am not the only one. Looks like some good info for those needing it! Thanks!

Post by **Sharp** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:52 pm

Yes, sorry, PC only and I can't think of anything that does this on a mac.

Regards
Sharp.

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:55 pm

Well that's why Mac has bootcamp!

burningbusch · Post by **burningbusch** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:02 pm

Samplit is available on the Mac. Save the instrument to SoundFont format and import it into the Kronos. You might have to tweak a little. I used it to bring stuff into the M3.

Busch.

BillW · Post by **BillW** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:03 pm

Sharp wrote:If your anything like me then you will have certain sounds on your existing keyboard that you would like to take with you to the KRONOS. Extreme Sample Converter can pretty much fully automate 90% of the process for you.

http://www.extranslator.com

+1. I have this program and love it! It's very stable and the looping capabilities are powerful enough to get the job done. I gig with a single Fantom G6, but if you listen closely, you'll hear sounds that have come from many of my software synths and a ton of stuff from my Motif XS. It can also do native conversions of some other formats (SampleTank, Kontakt and Giga, for example).

aron · Post by **aron** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:15 pm

For Macintosh:

http://www.redmatica.com/Redmatica/AutoSampler.html

Don't know if Kronos would open the results.

EXer · Post by **EXer** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:09 pm

Sharp wrote:Hi all.
Just a tip for those of you who are getting ready to buy the KRONOS and who will be funding their purchase by selling their old keyboard.

If your anything like me then you will have certain sounds on your existing keyboard that you would like to take with you to the KRONOS. Extreme Sample Converter can pretty much fully automate 90% of the process for you.

http://www.extranslator.com

You connect your old keyboard to your PC and Extreme Sample Converter samples the sounds you select and converts them to SF2 format which your KRONOS loads directly.

Samples are instant pictures than can absolutely not capture how the sounds evolve when generated by a refined synth engine and tweaked by real time controllers.

I think of my Kawai K5000; with this additive synth you can control the evolution of every harmonic over time independantly by affecting different multi stage looped envelopes to groups of harmonics or even to each harmonic if you're not afraid to take the time it needs to program evolving sounds (although a bit time consuming, it's quite easy if you use the OEM Sound Diver provided by Kawai); you can also use real time controllers to control, among others, the balance between low and high harmonics while playing; you can use envelopes and real time controllers for shifting the formant filter while playing to achieve even more dramatic sound changes.

To put it in short, the harmonic content of a K5K patch can evolve over time in a way that no sample playback will ever achieve.

The same can be said about my Yamaha FS1R, an 8 operator FM and FS (Formant Shaping) synth, and about the VL and the FDSP engine of my Yamaha EX5 as well.

No, definitely, samples of a synth will never replace the real synth.

Btw, this remains true even for some EX5 AWM2 patches which evolve over time in an unbelievable way: each synth engine, even a rompler, has its idiosyncrasies that you could not reproduce with another synth, even if you used the same samples.

And how could I load the PPG/Waldorf wavetables of my Blofeld into the wave sequencing engine of a Kronos?

Anyway, if you sell used gear that is more or less 10 years old, even in mint condition, you won't get much money out of it.

My advice : if your old synths can generate interesting sounds and if you have put your efforts into programming to bring THE sounds that suit your music out of these synths, KEEP THEM !
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[edit] I love my EX5

. A few presets here:

¤ Ba-AnaSweep.mp3
¤ Sc-Gronk.mp3
¤ Pd-Silverlake.mp3
¤ Ld-New Drone.mp3
¤ Pd-Abendstern.mp3

(from www.synthmania.com)

synthguy · Post by **synthguy** » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:37 pm

EXer wrote:My advice : if your old synths can generate interesting sounds and if you have put your efforts into programming to bring THE sounds that suit your music out of these synths, KEEP THEM !

That's just what I was going to say. It would be nice to have samples of numerous synths run through the KRONOS engine and filters, but then you end up with a KRONOS-ey version, don't you?

I know I'm kind of a throwback, surrounded by keyboards and modules, but heck, all these instruments have a unique character. If I had to save up a month rather than sell something, I'd rather save up, and have a collage of soundmakers available to offer a rich palette of sounds to shape into music.

jemkeys25 · Post by **jemkeys25** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:30 am

hey Sharp,
are you trying to tell us kronos is about to ship, and to be ready?

Post by **Sharp** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:36 am

Hi Exer.

Your logic is perfectly sound but you are not looking at this from the point of view that most people will be faced with. Nobody is saying your going to be able to replicate the sound engine by sampling it. Your also assuming that everyone is in the financial position to hold onto their old keyboards and still buy the KRONOS when that's simply not going to happen for most.

All I'm saying is that when you “have to sell” your old keyboard to buy the new one, sample your favourite sounds and bring them with you. It's not as disastrous as you make it sound either. It's actually good advice and the end results do prove very useful. In the past I found that the end result was even better than the original sound as the new sound engine and effects added a new dimension.

Kind Regards
Sharp.

Zeroesque · Post by **Zeroesque** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:01 pm

To add to Sharp's point, you might also sample things that you can't/won't take on the road. I know I like to show up to a gig w/ the minimum amount of equipment. I'm not going to drag around an extra synth, computer or more just for those couple of sounds on a song I wrote ten years ago.

Jan1 · Post by **Jan1** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:30 pm

That's exactly what I did with my Fantom before I sold it: I sampled all the sounds I made on the Fantom (very easy to do with the onboard resample function), looped them in Wavelab, and turned them into Kontakt instruments.

That way the time and effort you put in making your own unique sounds won't go to waste.
The only thing I regret is that I did not sample some of the basic wave ROM of the Fantom, because that way you can use this sampled wave ROM as the basis for creating patches in for example Emulator X, and use its filters so that you have your own virtual EMU Fantom (or Motif or whatever instrument you use).

MoonMusic · Post by **MoonMusic** » Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:37 pm

I remember when I first saw this being done on the Open Labs and I wanted it BAD....But didn't have the cash to get an open labs set up and the program was an open labs exclusive....I discovered Sample Robot Essential and bought that program and it works GREAT.....I can't tell you how many sounds I've made into SF2 format using this program....I've got it set up to sample every 6th key for 8 seconds at 127 velocity....It even loops/crossfades the samples at 50% for me.....You can even do multiple velocities for capturing different sample velocities.....I can't speak enough about it if your into this kind of thing...Even though it does do most of the work for you, it is still TIME consuming but to me it's well worth the time put in....Right now I'm sampling my old Ensoniq SD-1 because I LOVE those sounds that still can't be replicated by anything made today....I'm glad I have this alternative because that old Ensoniq isn't going to last forever so it's nice knowing I'll still have those sounds without the dependency of a 20 year old machine....I've been putting all the keyboards I've been sampling into Logic EXS24....Like I said it's a pain in the butt however it's unbelievably convenient to have all of them there in logic to bring up with no additional midi cables, keyboards,etc getting in the way....You do have to tweek a few things like release, add effects, etc.....If the patch has delay effects, I would recommend turning it off when sampling and then using a built in effect of your sampler when playing it back....That's my 2 cents.....moon

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