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Sharp wrote: 1: I used the words Neko and Open Labs only in meta tags that related to video's I posted of Open Keyboards, and Open Technology. That's what YouTube is for. It's not an advertising platform for you, it's a social networking community for everyone. That being said, Jessica did not even have the power to consider for one single moment what my intentions were and gave no consideration whatsoever to my explanation. Her gold was simply to stop my Video's that related to Open Technology from coming up in search engine results for Open Labs products.
I think that this says it all, actually. From what you said here, James, it seems to me that you were dealing with a kind-of paranoid company that didn't want anyone post anything negative about their products. But let me try to express that in a form of a "script for other possible situation". You could've posted that video without those tags, and used something like "another company's synth with open technology" or whatever. I'm pretty sure the same thing would happen. Because then, they'd want their logos from keyboards, or whatever removed, blurred, God only knows. Which you wouldn't have to do.

What people in various companies have to understand is that youtube, facebook, and all of those sites aren't there for their marketing, just as you said, and that they can't really censor people in any way. It's a social networking community site that lets people post (almost) whatever they want, given certain rules. And you were comparing some keyboards, which is a part objective and a part subjective process, which you have the right to do - whatever anyone asks you to do. And increasing traffic through keywords... what the heck are keywords for, if not for that? That's the basis of HTML, web, and everything else.

For all I care, if someone else was to do this to you again, it's like trying to forbid you to voice your own opinion. They should do a better job, and not try to shut people up. Keywords were just a smokescreen. And that really makes me wanna puke. A lot.

And Victor... I had a chance to meet quite a few people from your company as I'm a member of the international press core covering a lot of stuff - among other things, NAMM. Some of them seemed nice enough, some offered kind-of "bribery" in forms of discounts for their products should I write nice things about them (as did a number of other companies, like Muse Research etc.) so... let's not play games here. This is a public, free of charge, no-profit forum. There are people who like and/or dislike OL products and it's gonna be like that forever. Personally, I'm with Martin on this one - as I think that OL's products were way too expensive for what they offered and could've been vastly improved. DBeat is a perfect example of that. And I also think that products that you're working on right now seem much more reasonable. Take note that I use the term "OL" for "Open Labs", and not you personally in the post. That's deliberate. I don't claim that you're personally to blame about any of this.
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Hi Victor.
I take on board what your saying but the fact that you have just defended Open Labs on everything in this thread leaves me with a great worry about your future plans. If you approve of that sort of behaviour from Open Labs on all fronts, then shall we expect no different from you?

Lets not go on about this though. That was Open Labs, your not them now, and well... lets see what you do in the future. Please for crying out loud though give serious thought to how you want your relationship with the public to go. Nothing short of an excellent company image with equally good support will be needed for future success. Well that and a kick ass product. You have to have it all though. Open Labs don't.

This is all such a very critical time in the music industry too and no doubt you you realise this opportunity as more and more people start to pull their head out of the sand and realise that closed Workstations haven't really advanced much or anywhere near the rate of the DAW market.

People are nowhere near as happy now with a purchase of a workstation as they were years ago. There's just so much they are missing out on and they are starting to follow with great interest the development of Open Technology as it comes out if it's infancy and steps forward as a serious tool for writing music.

Anyway .... that's all I've to say. Just keep the head down, don't piss people off like Open Labs do, build a good product and give honestly genuine caring support and you should have success as the timing is right for Open Technology.

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jazlover wrote: In your response to Martin, your words and actions are to do (just that) Bully him by discrediting him.
"As someone who has always been a critic of Open Labs and it's products"
I have known both Sharp and Martin for years and their credibilty is solid with me and you are likely just as you seem.
Jazzlover,

Just to clarify, Victor hasn't bullied me at all. His statement was correct -- I have been a long-time critic of OpenLabs products based on the reasons I mentioned in my post above.

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Martin,

Thank you very much for the post. It shows that you are a man of honor, something I will try to show you all about me also.
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Post by nitecrawler »

What a great read in this thread! Jeezus Kevin, you really pricked a boil on this one. Sometimes its good to air out the laundry and this thread exposed some for sure. This thread is a perfect example of how important independent forums are the strength and a valuable resource for the music and its tools. Great stuff!

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nitecrawler wrote:What a great read in this thread! Jeezus Kevin, you really pricked a boil on this one.

nitecrawler

and I wasn't even trying... :-)

for once I'm not the one writing the essays - but you're right and the details provided here very interesting reading indeed.

I only hope Stephen Kay has not been burned badly in his provision of Karma to Open Labs; though I suspect he did - I quick check on www.karma-lab.com reveals no mention of Open-Labs while the open-labs web site does not mention Karma.


:idea: ....going to start a new thread....



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All I can say is WOW!

Incredible thread. It's like coming to the OK corral after the gunfight. I'm on the forum most every day now, but my timing on this one was off.

It never ceases to amaze me just how awful people can treat others when it stands in the way of making a buck. It looks a lot like the investors and new management at OL were good at making life miserable for all.

I wonder how they will fare if they continue to censor criticism and open discussion? Did they come from Burma?

There are far too many people in this world who obsess about money & wealth and do not seem to be able to recognize there are more important things in life.

Thank God for music, it doesn't pay my bills, but it keeps a smile on my face.

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Everyone,

I am truly sorry, but I have to yet defend myself again...so I apologize in advance for this post.

It has come to my attention that some people are now trying to start rumors that I do not know how to design products. So, here is a short list of what I have done in the past decade.

I hope this will finally put an end to this silliness and everyone just goes back to doing their own thing.

1997 - Founder and CEO, PowerTools: One of a handful of authorized Mac OS compatible computer makers. Highlights: Designed, produced and sold the fastest Mac OS computers ever built up till 1997. Proof: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/xforce250.html and http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/pcs/1559 ... x-factor-2 Business ended when Apple stopped authorizing clone computer makers. PowerTools settled with Apple and exited the market.

2000 - Founder and CEO, Ecommercesoft: Enterprise Internet-based business software solutions. Highlights: MetroShop, essentially an online ERP system with web-based frontend based on WebObject from Apple, was promoted by Apple as an enterprise software solution for it's clients. It was also used to power parts of Lucent Technologies online commerce as well as the LBJ Presidential Library. Proof: http://www.macobserver.com/news/00/may/ ... pasp.shtml MetroShop was sold to another company and then discontinued when Apple stopped supporting WebObjects.

2003 -Co Founder and CEO (first 2.5 years), Open Labs: Maker of computer enhanced musical instruments. Highlights: Introduced the OMX, NeKo, MiKo, DBeat and SoundSlate to the world and was endorsed by pretty much everyone. Proof: I came up with the product concepts for the OMX, original NeKo, Timbaland MiKo, DBeat, SoundSlate, Controller One and Controller II. Open Labs is currently still in business.

2010 - Founder and CEO, Music Computing: Maker of computer enhanced musical instruments. Highlights: Introduced new affordable, yet powerful keyboard production stations, large screen multi-touch controllers and MacBook Pro keyboard production station docks. Proof: I came up with the product concept and/or designed all the products.

Again, I am sorry for posting this...perhaps this all can be put to rest now...
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victorwong

Your post come across extremely well - and intriguing - to all reasonable people - I'm sure there are few here who doubt your innovative capabilities and entrepreneurial ability.


I have to say that this thread has read truly magnificently. It proves that talking on forums can reveal true substance and I have to say as a complete outsider utterly ignorant of all of these goings on that you and Sharp both come out of it incredibly impressively - you both seem hugely passionate, driven, focused and positive.

There's a lot more of 'earthy' drive towards open systems than I would have realised; which for me as a musician and composer is eciting because it means that those desigingin these instruments are bending over backwards to make them work on all levels. Very interesting indeed.

Kevin.
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Thank you very much.
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Hi Victor,

I congratulate the idea of studioblade and I wish this product to really be what I've been waiting for.

I have so many questions about it that I registed on your website but still can't post on your forum. So as I was so looking forward to have my hands on a kronos now I am very undicided.

If I buy studioblade it would be for live performances only. Therefore I really really need to know how it behaves in terms of latency.

Please note that I am not one of those crazy dudes that expect zero latency and no glitches even when running a Daw with 200 tracks full of plugins LOL .
For instance I would use it just as a vst host as plain as that no gimmicks or abuse like using overlly sampled instruments of 8 gigabites LOL.

I would have Kontakt with all my fav sounds loaded ; 1 good acpiano ( maybe max 1 gig), 2 good eps, Kick ass brass in one bank, Vintage Organs , Some Sinths, Vocals etc , Strings So pretty much like a performance bank ,without abusing the cpu with sounds that use too much memory + no using with key switches, just good sounding bread and butter.

So I really wish music computing would put some pro demovideos showcasing this mode of use. I believe that a lot of musicians out there would be interested on this.

Sorry I have to say that my only criticism about your company is that more professional demos needed to be on your site before shipping the product.
For instance on youtube you have people sort of demoing it trough camera speakers, another dude one opening the box and other with no lights, other composing a doggie song/beat etc. And it is just sad that they are listed on your chanel as a reference to the product and your favorites list
Please don't take me wrong I do not think of myself as a superior musician or a higher level than those people. However I do believe that those amateurs videos does not make your company look and sound any good!! on the contrary a lot of people are already criticising it without even knowing what it can deliver.

Please take Korg as an example and hire some good musicians to demo your grounding break keyboard properlly. Whilst I do understand that Korg does have a lot of money to hire musicians/producers with BIg names as they did for Kronos. YOu do not need big names, there are soooo many talented musicians/producers/performers out there that would love to try your studioblade make a great live demo , showcasing performance possibilties. As to studio possibilities it is pretty much self explainable in my opinion no videos are needed and this machine is a computer and will do a great job just as a computer would + is portable heaps more convinient than a desktop.



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Sharp wrote:I was personally threatened with legal action
Empty and meaningless threats of legal action are a Medieval legacy. When coming to attention of the Law meant a 90% risk of being burned alive.

They presume people will be afraid of just a lawyer being mentioned.

Breaking news:

a) this is 2011, lawyers are cheap. And starving.

b) most "I'll sue you" letters come from deadbeats, losers, people who don't want to pay.

c) people who went through bankruptcy are especially fond of mentioning lawyers with no reason.

d) a lawyer is not a judge.

e) A letter from a lawyer is not a court sentence.

f) 50% of lawyer's letters and actions are, by definition, on the LOSING side.

And

g) losing a frivolous lawsuit is very expensive.

Now, if a company who barely could survive chapter 11 wants to sue you for mentioning their name on Youtube,

why don't you just take the risk and sue them for, say, 10.000.000 euro in Brussels for infringing European antitrust laws, and another 10.000.000 US$ in the USA for restricting your freedom of speech?

Then, the first who wants to get out of the mess pays the other. What have you got to lose? What have THEY to lose?

They'd deserve this.

Boy, do I hate arrogant corporations, especially when they are business LOSERS (openlabs is) and behave like they were Microsoft.
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Post by vstkeys »

Wow, a few months has gonne by and nothing from studiblade. There is only one good demo by Ed Rhone demostranting how to record, produce, master, etc. Nevertheless it is great video and will definatelly get the attention of a lot of producers home studio musicians.
However, there is another video with some other guy nodling with the internal sounds + some piano library through the camera mic. C'mon how can anyone trust on such a poor demo??? Is music computer expecting to sell that keyboard for real live use without demonstrating it? I am definately not paying to see it
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