Any word on OS update???

Lou · Post by **Lou** » Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:04 pm

I'd much more prefer some sort of fader activity reading than expecting a workstation to give me what a DAW can.
No matter what improvements are made to the internal sequencer it will "NEVER" provide what an external program can.
I do understand how this can be very important for those that refuse to work outside the box (Pun intended

) but logically speaking, it's a keyboard synth before a DAW...

Yes, if it's broke it should be fixed. I'm sure it will.

LivePsy · Post by **LivePsy** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:44 am

I wish I had a job where what I made had things wrong with it and didn't do things my other workers made...

... and my boss didn't mind that I ignored it for months

jeebustrain · Post by **jeebustrain** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:40 am

LivePsy wrote:I wish I had a job where what I made had things wrong with it and didn't do things my other workers made...

... and my boss didn't mind that I ignored it for months

Says the person who has obviously never worked on any sort of software development or engineering before.

LivePsy · Post by **LivePsy** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:56 am

Dude, software bugs are a result of not working hard enough. If a bug is pointed out to Korg, their response is nothing?

High level language coding and a generation of coders born after machine language has created a lazy attitude that bugs are to be expected. That is flat out wrong. A bug is an error and to not correct it ASAP is distain for the customer.

Coming from ML coding on 8-bit CPUs in the '70s, I have nothing but disgust for the young ones' no care attitude for bugs. Code is more complex today sure, so TRY HARDER.

clipnotic · Post by **clipnotic** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:54 am

LivePsy wrote:Dude, software bugs are a result of not working hard enough. If a bug is pointed out to Korg, their response is nothing?

High level language coding and a generation of coders born after machine language has created a lazy attitude that bugs are to be expected. That is flat out wrong. A bug is an error and to not correct it ASAP is distain for the customer.

Coming from ML coding on 8-bit CPUs in the '70s, I have nothing but disgust for the young ones' no care attitude for bugs. Code is more complex today sure, so TRY HARDER.

That's right!

I'm a database programmer and if I would deliver my customers such buggy solutions like developers from the music hardware industry do it today, I would lose my job!

My customers want:

- a full working product, ( they're not beta testers because they pay money for it! )
- reliability
- fast service if an error occurs
- always fast and good contact and communication

If I wouldn't offer all this basic buisness things to my customers, they would look for another supplier!

The current music hardware industry developers are meaning they can do with us what they want ... and yes, they can do it, because there are always fanboys which love them no matter what they do ...

To get fast an OS Update with bug fixes is not a wish, but it's required! Especially for a 3.000 EUR /3.000$ product which was praised as a "Game Changer" !

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:11 am

clipnotic wrote:I'm a database programmer and if I would deliver my customers such buggy solutions like developers from the music hardware industry do it today, I would lose my job!

My customers want:

- a full working product, ( they're not beta testers because they pay money for it! )
- reliability
- fast service if an error occurs
- always fast and good contact and communication

If I wouldn't offer all this basic buisness things to my customers, they would look for another supplier!

The current music hardware industry developers are meaning they can do with us what they want ... and yes, they can do it, because there are always fanboys which love them no matter what they do ...

To get fast an OS Update with bug fixes is not a wish, but it's required! Especially for a 3.000 EUR /3.000$ product which was praised as a "Game Changer" !

+1

laandodeman · Post by **laandodeman** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:27 am

Agreed.

ashboe · Post by **ashboe** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:50 am

I do take the point regarding DAWs, but I think most people just want the upgrade to the sequencer that the M3 got. Surely the work has already been done, so it just needs porting across?

Sean

hightower · Post by **hightower** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:46 pm

The korg guy that added the memory and replaced my fan recently told me to expect v2.0 in september.

DennyC · Post by **DennyC** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:09 pm

I wish I could go to the bank on that!

Davidb · Post by **Davidb** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:41 pm

I do take the point regarding DAWs, but I think most people just want the upgrade to the sequencer that the M3 got. Surely the work has already been done, so it just needs porting across?

Sean

MarPabl wrote:This was not the history with Korg M3 with this workstation, the whole upgrade to "Expanded" version was for free, as well as the libraries, which originally were intended for sale, but not at the end.

And we've discussed that, having a good code base for the enhancements on the sequencer, the effort is less compared with starting totally from zero.

Indeed.

Zeroesque · Post by **Zeroesque** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:20 pm

The penchant for melodrama and over-simplification from the expert complainers on the page is laughable.

As for the next version, I would guess that it would be a V2 sometime this year. After that, Korg would seemingly have to really be focused on other products, possibly including Kronos-derived synths or even their next flagship keyboard (NAMM 2014?). This is complete conjecture, of course.

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:29 pm

Here we go again? Is the Korg Kronos, weathering the storm? what storm?

robkeith · Post by **robkeith** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:29 pm

clipnotic wrote:
LivePsy wrote:Dude, software bugs are a result of not working hard enough. If a bug is pointed out to Korg, their response is nothing?

High level language coding and a generation of coders born after machine language has created a lazy attitude that bugs are to be expected. That is flat out wrong. A bug is an error and to not correct it ASAP is distain for the customer.

Coming from ML coding on 8-bit CPUs in the '70s, I have nothing but disgust for the young ones' no care attitude for bugs. Code is more complex today sure, so TRY HARDER.

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+1

That's right!

I'm a database programmer and if I would deliver my customers such buggy solutions like developers from the music hardware industry do it today, I would lose my job!

My customers want:

- a full working product, ( they're not beta testers because they pay money for it! )
- reliability
- fast service if an error occurs
- always fast and good contact and communication

If I wouldn't offer all this basic buisness things to my customers, they would look for another supplier!

The current music hardware industry developers are meaning they can do with us what they want ... and yes, they can do it, because there are always fanboys which love them no matter what they do ...

To get fast an OS Update with bug fixes is not a wish, but it's required! Especially for a 3.000 EUR /3.000$ product which was praised as a "Game Changer" !

jeebustrain · Post by **jeebustrain** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:25 pm

clipnotic wrote: To get fast an OS Update with bug fixes is not a wish, but it's required! Especially for a 3.000 EUR /3.000$ product which was praised as a "Game Changer" !

Other than the Karma bug introduced with 1.6 and the couple issues related to arabic/oriental scales, what major bugs are still out there? I know there are issues with the Editor, but that's technically separate and will most likely be addressed as an update to that software, not to the Kronos itself.

Note there is a distinct difference between an actual bug and "I wish the Kronos did this differently or had this feature that I think it should have."