How do you sequence drum on kronos???

clipnotic · Post by **clipnotic** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:53 pm

I mean, if I create a beat like you written before with overdub ... so one track has the whole beat.

Can I create seperate tracks after that, that every sound of that full drum track will get its own seperate track ...

sorry my english is not the best!

Post by **Sharp** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:56 pm

Yes, you can do that too.
Lets say your beat uses 5 different percussion sounds. Simply use the copy option on the “Track Edit” page to create 5 copies of the track. Now use the Note Erase option to remove the unwanted notes from each track, leaving you with only one percussion sound in each track.

Regards
Sharp.

clipnotic · Post by **clipnotic** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:00 pm

ah ok, thank you again! - That's logical ...

1jordyzzz · Post by **1jordyzzz** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:05 pm

sharp you've been a great help! thank you so much

Post by **Sharp** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:12 pm

No problem at all.

Cheers
Sharp.

StephenKay · Post by **StephenKay** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:44 am

It's also worth mentioning (if it wasn't already) that you can create beats with a separate drum sound on each track. Kick on track 1, snare on track 2, hi-hats on track 3 - just set them all to the same MIDI Channel and they only play 1 Drum Kit. The point I wanted to make is: Later, when your beats are "done", if you're running out of tracks you can then bounce all the parts into one track and open up all those tracks for other uses. But while working on them, you've got all the parts on separate tracks.

clipnotic · Post by **clipnotic** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:21 pm

Thank you very much, Stephen! That's very good! On this way I can bounce fixed beat sounds to one track and if a sound doesn't work with the other instruments later, I can seperate that sound again to another track ... and all this without resampling - great!

But if I would use always the same midi channel, midi modulations (perhaps) pitch would effect the whole drumkit, or?

And how is it with effects? Is it possible to seperate effects for every sound in a drumkit? I mean not only with different send values but with different effects, too!

neomad · Post by **neomad** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:59 pm

A drumgrid within the Kronos screen allowing the possibilty to set different midi ch to every part (as hydrogen in PC/linux or ultrabeat in Logic, example) + render fonction integrated can be really awesome.

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:23 pm

clipnotic wrote:And how is it with effects? Is it possible to seperate effects for every sound in a drumkit? I mean not only with different send values but with different effects, too!

yes you could do this, every timbre can be routed to it's own effect path. I use this all the time, for instance i seperate the kick snare and hihats to three timbres. The snare has a small reverb effect and the hihats have a filter and delays on them.

The fun part is that i can use the switches to activate the kick, snare and hihats whenever i want in my song. drumtrack is connected to those three timbres. You can use a default drumtrack or you could use one or more of the Drum KARMA patterns for that.

clipnotic · Post by **clipnotic** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:11 pm

so that means it like that? :

STEP: 1:
You choose a drumkit

STEP 2:
You create a beat with that drumkit in one track first

STEP 3:
After that you seperate Kick, Snare, HH ... to seperate tracks BUT with the same midi channel to use the sound of your drumkit ...

STEP 4:
So you have 4 mute switches for your beat

Is that right?

How flexible is the FX routing, is it still possible to add effects for the whole drumkit (all sounds) and seperate FX for some sounds like written, together? For example:

Kick = compressor
Snare = Reverb
Hhat = Delay
The whole drumkit with BD, SD, HH included = Phaser

And really thank you for your great explanations here! It's fantastic that professional users like you tell your ways of working!

For a long time only DAW musician like me, it's not easy to think with only 16 midi tracks and without a piano roll ... but it seems, that there are ways to work like that ... well, it's not always comfortable and could be better but who knows what will Korg give us in the future ... ?

1jordyzzz · Post by **1jordyzzz** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:38 pm

hey guys i'm having a problem again... trying to sequence a song, but this song is quite haywire to be sequenced.. it has separate 2 bars of 2/4.. how do i create those additional bars?? i mean, insert 1 bar of 2/4 among 4/4 bars??

also it has fermata (pause).. is it possible to add it?? or at least trick it with additonal 1 bar of 2/4 ???

QuiRobinez · Post by **QuiRobinez** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:21 pm

clipnotic wrote:so that means it like that? :

STEP: 1:
You choose a drumkit

STEP 2:
You create a beat with that drumkit in one track first

STEP 3:
After that you seperate Kick, Snare, HH ... to seperate tracks BUT with the same midi channel to use the sound of your drumkit ...

STEP 4:
So you have 4 mute switches for your beat

Is that right?

yes, you can do that if you limit the zone key limit of each timbre.
It's also possible to mix drumsets that way.
So for instance use the Kick of a 909, the snare of a rock kit and the hats of an ambient kit

How flexible is the FX routing, is it still possible to add effects for the whole drumkit (all sounds) and seperate FX for some sounds like written, together? For example:

Kick = compressor
Snare = Reverb
Hhat = Delay
The whole drumkit with BD, SD, HH included = Phaser

yes, that's no problem you can use insert fx for each timbre en a master fx for the complete drumkit.

For a long time only DAW musician like me, it's not easy to think with only 16 midi tracks and without a piano roll ... but it seems, that there are ways to work like that ... well, it's not always comfortable and could be better but who knows what will Korg give us in the future ... ?

i never understood why people with daw's are focussing on creating complete songs in a workstation. A daw is so much more convenient to do complete songs. Of course you can create a complete song in a workstation but it will take more time.

I only use the internal sequencer as a sketch pad or i transfer the song from my DAW to the Kronos sequencer.
But every song i made is always created in a DAW not in a sequencer from the kronos or motif. My opinion is to use the strong points of things you have available. You have sonar 8, i really don't understand why you would want to do a complete production in the kronos in that case.

clipnotic · Post by **clipnotic** » Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:23 pm

qrobinez wrote: i never understood why people with daw's are focussing on creating complete songs in a workstation. A daw is so much more convenient to do complete songs. Of course you can create a complete song in a workstation but it will take more time.

I only use the internal sequencer as a sketch pad or i transfer the song from my DAW to the Kronos sequencer.
But every song i made is always created in a DAW not in a sequencer from the kronos or motif. My opinion is to use the strong points of things you have available. You have sonar 8, i really don't understand why you would want to do a complete production in the kronos in that case.

Thank you again !

Yes you're right, the best way could be to connect the DAW with hardware and not only working with hardware alone! Especially for song arrangment ...

I'm still trying this with FL Studio (I prefer this DAW much over Sonar

) and meanwhile it works good with your great informations you gave me in the other thread! I found a way for latency compensation there, too ..

With typical hardware synths like my Virus B it works fine! And it's very good and easy to create beats in a DAW, too ... but with this many features of the Kronos it seems not very easy to use the Kronos full and good with the DAW?

I read many threads here about that and I think I understand, that a good way is to set the Kronos to the Combi Mode ... but how can I use Karma good with the DAW ? And the transfer of midi files from DAW to the Kronos ... and back again ... at the moment for me that seems to be a little bit stressful ? If I work with my DAW, I'm not sure if I would get a good transfer of my work there compatible to the Kronos ... ? Especially if I use Audio VST effects, samples in the DAW and some sounds of the Kronos ... Well, but I'm still reading and have to understand more of that!

And if I would use the Kronos only as a sound module ... I would loose many of the inspiring tools from it and many features I would pay for nothing?

So finally my goals are at the moment:

1. Look what is really possible with the Kronos features itself
2. Look for the best way to integrate it to my setup with a good workflow
3. Find a good a way to play my music live, too - (not only with a notebook)
4. Hope for a better sequencer for the Kronos

And I think I have to understand more of all this features and possibilities because the last years i only opened another Omnisphere .. instance in one second!

The reason I'm interested with the Kronos is Karma and its great sound syntheses and effects but also its control possibilities ... so the questions is, how to use all this good and with a great workflow together WITH the DAW ?

The best solution for a musician like me would be a full Kronos VST with all its syntheses and sounds and Karma integrate, I still have a 76 key and 2 good sequencers ... but that isn't available so I have to look how to work with the Kronos keyboard version.

I think my brain still didn't really got that way of DAW + Kronos together working ?

1jordyzzz · Post by **1jordyzzz** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:44 am

no one answering my question??

StephenKay · Post by **StephenKay** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:40 am

1jordyzzz wrote:no one answering my question??

You mean about meter changes? You edit the Master Track in Event Edit and change the Time Signature of a few measures. If I recall correctly how this works, once you edit the meter of a measure, then that continues after that until the end of the song. So you have to edit the bar to 2/4, then edit the next bar back to 4/4 (or whatever).