Returning my Kronos

mikero · Post by **mikero** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:01 am

This thing is stupid......maybe I am... and got over my head, but very frustrated..

I am a musician not an engineer.....Korg needs some more support for this workstation....

Just called MusiciansFriend and arranged the return.....I will stick to the piano!

narf · Post by **narf** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:05 am

Yes you are!

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:12 am

If this was your 1st korg w/s, you would benefit from organized instruction .

It is not a plug and play item or a simple iPad type workflow.

mikero · Post by **mikero** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:16 am

GregC wrote:If this was your 1st korg w/s, you would benefit from organized instruction .

It is not a plug and play item or a simple iPad type workflow.

Yes...first Korg ever. I have really tried, but not getting it

mikero · Post by **mikero** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:21 am

narf wrote:Yes you are!

GregC · Post by **GregC** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:59 am

mikero wrote:
GregC wrote:If this was your 1st korg w/s, you would benefit from organized instruction .

It is not a plug and play item or a simple iPad type workflow.
Yes...first Korg ever. I have really tried, but not getting it

Korg ( rich f) did Kronos basics on YouTube .

You saw those ? How long did u have your Kronos ?

WVought · Post by **WVought** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:04 am

You didn't start playing piano competently on your first day...there was a learning curve. Same with the Kronos. It's a deep machine, and you need to give it time. Read the user comments here from people who rave about the Kronos. it's not too late to cancel your return authorization.

ronnfigg · Post by **ronnfigg** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:35 am

The Kronos is a professional grade workstation. If anyone isn't ready to put in the time and effort to educate themselves, they should make a different purchase.

simur · Post by **simur** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:00 am

I can understand your frustration. I am an electronic engineer, I am a IT professional and I was new to Kronos as well, and I need a lot of time to understand it. I am still learning after having it for 7 months...

I love this machine, It is great and I believe it is one of the best instruments on the market.

I believe that it is difficult to understand because there is a huge number of features and ways you can use it. If Korg gives you more freedom to use it, you have more options to configure or changing its behavior. If you have constraints, there are less option but it is probably easier to learn... It is a double edge sword!

I think that Korg (or their local distributors) could organize some workshop around the world in music shop, for example. I saw some Kronos demo at my local store and I had the chance to ask some questions... Maybe promoting some workshop could be another type of promotion.

Francois · Post by **Francois** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:06 am

Anybody who is not used to using top of the range workstations should get a video tutorial and spend time learning all the basics.

For the Kronos, Sudosonic sell a 4 hours and 41 minutes tutorial on BluRay or DVD for $70, that contains 44 lessons.

http://www.sudosonic.com/servlet/the-49 ... nos/Detail

If you spend the money on a Kronos and feel overwhelmed by the sheer number of functions, then you could do worse than watch these tutorials with your Kronos in front of you.

Scatter · Post by **Scatter** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:07 am

DocBambs · Post by **DocBambs** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:26 am

ronnfigg wrote:The Kronos is a professional grade workstation. If anyone isn't ready to put in the time and effort to educate themselves, they should make a different purchase.

I am assuming that it will be another 1-2 years before I have a full grasp of it's capabilities though I don't include fully understanding all the engines in that 2 years.

Initially I am using and (with varying levels of success) tweaking the presets. I think it is a little short of good usable combi's, but it just encourages me to work at it and make them what I need.

If you wanted a great sounding board and to just use presets I don't think it's for you.

Saying that... a K88 with the 2 off the shelf pianos (plus Austrian) is a pretty competent piano in it's own right. It would be an interesting exercise to do a direct comparison with the alternatives (like some have done comparing the HD1 to Yamaha boards) just as a standalone piano.

DB

jimknopf · Post by **jimknopf** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:57 am

Frankly, it is complete beyond me, to buy such a powerful keyboard and then resign like that. What did you buy that keyboard for?

Even if someone is not ready to to do at least one decent manual read, there is still a load of introduction videos, and if you are too lazy to read, you could still pay the price for being so lazy and buy the Sudosonic videos, which cover all basic aspects of using the Kronos in a way which is really easy to understand.

Else it would be a classical case of user failure, not of Kronos failure.

simur · Post by **simur** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:08 am

jimknopf wrote:Frankly, it is complete beyond me, to buy such a powerful keyboard and then resign like that. What did you buy that keyboard for?

Even if someone is not ready to to do at least one decent manual read, there is still a load of introduction videos, and if you are too lazy to read, you could still pay the price for being so lazy and buy the Sudosonic videos, which cover all basic aspects of using the Kronos in a way which is really easy to understand.

Else it would be a classical case of user failure, not of Kronos failure.

The most successful products are also products that don't need to read the manuals... You cannot blame the user if they are frustated on using it. There are different user types and needs. There are people who like to learn and challenge with new technologies, there are users that want to get different goals, for example, just playing, without learning, programming, ...

Maybe the second type user should buy another kind of instrument, like Nord Stage, but what if Korg could realize a Kronos UI that does not need to read a manual? I believe that it would be the most successful product in the hystory of music

Saxifraga · Post by **Saxifraga** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:26 am

mikero wrote:This thing is stupid......maybe I am... and got over my head, but very frustrated..

I am a musician not an engineer.....Korg needs some more support for this workstation....

Just called MusiciansFriend and arranged the return.....I will stick to the piano!

This machine is made by engineers for engineers. At least if you want to make sounds from scratch and use it as a workstation. Of course I am a physicist and can handle that complexity, most of the time

I am waiting for some enterprise to build an enjoystation.

The UI is a overcomplex mess of parameters. No Apple Software Engineer would get this through the approval process. That is a fact.
But of course Yamaha, Roland and all the others are worse or have other shortcommings.

I hope Korg will learn to build an UI that´s worthy of the sound and power of the Kronos some day in the future or no one will buy these machines anymore.

The musicians of the future will mainly use machines with "one Knob one Function" Interfaces (Studiologic VA Synth) or/and big touchscreens with freely configurable pads and sliders. The white and black keys will be dropped and only used for the likes of Mozart. (So will QWERTY keyboards on computers. Does anyone agree?)

But I don´t think you will find a keyboard with this multitude of possibilities at this point in time. I would not part with it. Try Yamahas xf7 and decide after that experience. I don´t think you will find it easier to handle.

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