You know, the sequencer ...

Kevin Nolan · Post by **Kevin Nolan** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:59 pm

Purusha wrote:I don't tend to use it myself. I either use my Cirklon or a DAW.

The Cirklon looks interesting. I hadn't heard of that before. Could you outline it's main features and indicate any particular features of note. How does this differ, improve upon, say the Yamaha QY700?

thanks,
Kevin.

simur · Post by **simur** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:14 pm

JPWC wrote:what is a sequencer?

I bought the Kronos for the sound & Karma.

It would be cool to have it upgrade to something similar to the M3 or the Krome, but I'd still not use it, I gave up sequencing right after Opcode went out of business, I got sequencers on my keyboards and on my computer, but I just don't use them at least not for MIDI recording. Although I do use Digital Performer as and audio recorder/editor, I play them live and live with the mistakes.

Karma is my band and they like to do it live.

Me too. Agree 100%

JPWC · Post by **JPWC** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:29 pm

http://www.sequentix.com/cirklon.htm

RKfan · Post by **RKfan** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:51 pm

I have used it a couple of times but compared to my Juno-G it's pretty unfriendly.

For example if you want to step record a couple of bars - so you can learn what a phrase should sounds like when learning a piece (my timing isnt the best from sight reading) - I would turn to the Juno-G every time because its really easy (pick the note lengths, play the notes, enter rests etc, and its done). I wouldn't know where to start with the Kronos sequencer.

One page which really has me baffled - like why is it there at all - is the track edit screen - it shows all the tracks on a single screen but I would really value to ability to look at each track individually (as I can on the Juno and in any other DAW - using Sonar X1 currently). It seems half finished to me.

The sequencer probably does a lot of things really well (step recording is not one of them - yes I know its possible - but its uasbility is poor) but due to the clunky nature of its implementation I (personally) am put off digging deeper (I have better things to do with my time (making cool sounds or just playing the mighty K and better sequencers to play with - even my QY10 which is nearly 20 years old is more user friendly - again my personal opinion).

SeedyLee · Post by **SeedyLee** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:48 pm

The Kronos sequencer, in many ways, isn't that much different to something like the QY10, in terms of the types of operations available.

The key to the "Track Edit" screen (and I agree it's visual presentation isn't ideal) is in the page menu. If you want to perform step recording, it's the page menu of the "Track Edit" screen, and you should get the typical step recording options.

Saxifraga · Post by **Saxifraga** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:50 am

Once again Korg USA shows us how inferior our flagship Kronos sequencer is to the M3 / Krome one.

Korg Krome Video Manual -- Part 4: Sequencer Mode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzzbfWDX ... ture=g-u-u

thx Korg for reminding me how useless any complaints are AFTER you payed your money.

"Don´t pay the ferry man. Don´t even fix the price, until he gets you to the other side."

(btw. I don´t like Chris the Burgh)

SeedyLee · Post by **SeedyLee** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:03 am

Saxifraga wrote:Once again Korg USA shows us how inferior our flagship Kronos sequencer is to the M3 / Krome one.

Korg Krome Video Manual -- Part 4: Sequencer Mode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzzbfWDX ... ture=g-u-u

thx Korg for reminding me how useless any complaints are AFTER you payed your money.

"Don´t pay the ferry man. Don´t even fix the price, until he gets you to the other side."

(btw. I don´t like Chris the Burgh)

I'd like an update sequencer as much as anyone, but I'm not sure what Korg have failed to deliver?

As far as I can see, the KRNONS sequencer is exactly as specified. Even when it was released it had an inferior sequencer to say, the M3 Xpanded.

However, I hope that, given the KRONOS is still a current model, Korg will see it as being in their commercial interests to upgrade the KRONOS sequencer and they will make that upgrade available to existing users.

Aside from the track view and piano roll editor, what other advantages does the KROMOE sequencer have?

(I guess my point is, the ferryman took us exactly where he promised when we bought the ticket - it's just that when we got there, we decided we preferred a more exotic destination that also happened to be cheaper).

neomad · Post by **neomad** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:48 am

SeedyLee wrote:
Saxifraga wrote:Once again Korg USA shows us how inferior our flagship Kronos sequencer is to the M3 / Krome one.

Korg Krome Video Manual -- Part 4: Sequencer Mode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzzbfWDX ... ture=g-u-u

thx Korg for reminding me how useless any complaints are AFTER you payed your money.

"Don´t pay the ferry man. Don´t even fix the price, until he gets you to the other side."

(btw. I don´t like Chris the Burgh)
I'd like an update sequencer as much as anyone, but I'm not sure what Korg have failed to deliver?

As far as I can see, the KRNONS sequencer is exactly as specified. Even when it was released it had an inferior sequencer to say, the M3 Xpanded.

However, I hope that, given the KRONOS is still a current model, Korg will see it as being in their commercial interests to upgrade the KRONOS sequencer and they will make that upgrade available to existing users.

Aside from the track view and piano roll editor, what other advantages does the KROMOE sequencer have?

(I guess my point is, the ferryman took us exactly where he promised when we bought the ticket - it's just that when we got there, we decided we preferred a more exotic destination that also happened to be cheaper).

Seedy, please, watch youtube video and compare with Kronos sequencer.

Track view
Piano Roll
Drag and drop
Drum Grid
Velocity / Level metters

Do you still want more about what Korg have failed to deliver?

Davidb · Post by **Davidb** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:28 pm

neomad wrote:
SeedyLee wrote:
Saxifraga wrote:Once again Korg USA shows us how inferior our flagship Kronos sequencer is to the M3 / Krome one.

Korg Krome Video Manual -- Part 4: Sequencer Mode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzzbfWDX ... ture=g-u-u

thx Korg for reminding me how useless any complaints are AFTER you payed your money.

"Don´t pay the ferry man. Don´t even fix the price, until he gets you to the other side."

(btw. I don´t like Chris the Burgh)
I'd like an update sequencer as much as anyone, but I'm not sure what Korg have failed to deliver?

Aside from the track view and piano roll editor, what other advantages does the KROMOE sequencer have?

Seedy, please, watch youtube video and compare with Kronos sequencer.

Track view
Piano Roll
Drag and drop
Drum Grid
Velocity / Level metters

Do you still want more about what Korg have failed to deliver?

+1

Not to mention on screen transport and mode buttons, clock fuctionality, cue list feature, and some others.

Shakil · Post by **Shakil** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:47 pm

BasariStudios wrote:No one says its useless but only a crazy person would use it with having access to Cubase or any DAW.

You don't have access to Cubase or DAW ... ALL the time you know.

neomad · Post by **neomad** » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:50 pm

Not to mention on screen transport and mode buttons, clock fuctionality, cue list feature, and some others.

Indeed!

popmann · Post by **popmann** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:51 am

I do have to say it seems odd that they HAVE the sequencer code and don't include it in the Kronos. It was one thing to want a new sequencer developed...but, they HAVE one...certainly running on the same OS core...odd.

neomad · Post by **neomad** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:46 am

popmann wrote:I do have to say it seems odd that they HAVE the sequencer code and don't include it in the Kronos. It was one thing to want a new sequencer developed...but, they HAVE one...certainly running on the same OS core...odd.

Not sure it's the same OS core. As far as I know, only Kronos/Oasys are linux based OS but not Krome / M3.

However, a Linux environment should (should) be more flexible to replicate Krome sequencer than viceversa.

Is Linux based OS our last high hope ?

popmann · Post by **popmann** » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:52 pm

No, if it's not the same core, it's a whole different proposistion. You're not talking Apple and Microsoft OS API level programming or recompiling for a different chip.

Davidb · Post by **Davidb** » Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:28 am

neomad wrote:
popmann wrote:I do have to say it seems odd that they HAVE the sequencer code and don't include it in the Kronos. It was one thing to want a new sequencer developed...but, they HAVE one...certainly running on the same OS core...odd.
Not sure it's the same OS core. As far as I know, only Kronos/Oasys are linux based OS but not Krome / M3.

Following the same path, I wouldnt say that Krome and M3 share the same core, neither.
I think just the opposite, they clearly are different machines by all means, starting by ist tone generator, and ending by its GUI.

Despite that, they both still share more advanced tools in sequencer mode than the ones the Kronos has.

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