How to modulate "Talking Modulator" FX by sequence

[Corgy]

Short description of what I would like to achieve: FX "Talking Modulator" talking in rhythmic pattern (beats) generated by a step-sequencer. The FX internal LFO is running at a frequency, but I would like to have a rhythm pattern modulation.

The "Sweep Mode" of "Talking Modulator" is selectable as "Dmod". This allows real time modulation through the joystick, the wheel, the knobs etc. - but, according to the manual, also through Karma and a "sequencer". Thats exactly, what I am looking for.

In the selection display of the available modulation sources none of them is the "sequencer". Same situation in the manual. The table/list of modulators does not name a "sequencer".

After some research - IMO - I have missed something. Can anybody help me out? Any advice would be welcome

[SanderXpander]

Can you use an AMS mixer as dmod source?
Probably you can use the step sequencer as source for the AMS mixer.

Just a guess though.

[Corgy]

Can you use an AMS mixer as dmod source?
Probably you can use the step sequencer as source for the AMS mixer.

Just a guess though.

There seems nothing like AMS in the list of Dmod modulators.

[Corgy]

does the term "sequencer" in the manual (Parameter Guide, page 1101) correspond to an "external-Midi-sequencer" or one of the "internal sequencers"?

I ask this, because I found in the manual a paragraph (complete different section of the book), telling you that dynamic control of IFX through external MIDI sources is also possible ...

It's keeps to be a puzzle ...

[QuiRobinez]

Can you use an AMS mixer as dmod source?
Probably you can use the step sequencer as source for the AMS mixer.

Just a guess though.

There seems nothing like AMS in the list of Dmod modulators.

i don't think AMS mixer is available as DMOD source. The best way is probably to use the Vector Automation for that. In that case select the Vector as DMOD source and create an automation pattern for the Vector position in the Vector screen of the program. Make that one time based and it should work and looks a lot like using a step sequencer.

I never tried it, but this would be the approach i would investigate in your case.

[Corgy]

Can you use an AMS mixer as dmod source?
Probably you can use the step sequencer as source for the AMS mixer.

Just a guess though.

There seems nothing like AMS in the list of Dmod modulators.

i don't think AMS mixer is available as DMOD source. The best way is probably to use the Vector Automation for that. In that case select the Vector as DMOD source and create an automation pattern for the Vector position in the Vector screen of the program. Make that one time based and it should work and looks a lot like using a step sequencer.

I never tried it, but this would be the approach i would investigate in your case.

Thanks QuiRobinez. That seems to be a promising approach - I will give it a try. There is also something I stumbled over in the meantime ... The MIDI Control Change CC#83 seems to be a general CC# available for e.g. AMS, KARMA and Dmod. It is not fixed to any of the control interface knobs and sliders. Free floating alike. That will be my other try, to get the "sequencer" sending via CC#83.

[QuiRobinez]

Thanks QuiRobinez. That seems to be a promising approach - I will give it a try.

i've just tried the automated Vector Trick as DMod source for the TalkMod FX and i can confirm that this works perfectly!

it gave quite a cool effect this way over a MS20 lead i just programmed, so i saved it as a new preset

[Corgy]

Thanks QuiRobinez. That seems to be a promising approach - I will give it a try.

i've just tried the automated Vector Trick as DMod source for the TalkMod FX and i can confirm that this works perfectly!

it gave quite a cool effect this way over a MS20 lead i just programmed, so i saved it as a new preset

I just tried it myself and it worked out of the box. Thank you!

How did you do it? I used the Vector Envelope but unfortunatly there are only 4 steps. I could get some rhytm by setting the note durations differently but I would prefer to have 16 steps at least to create the beat.

I checked out the CC#83 matter. I found no way (until now) to get an internal step sequencer sending its output via CC#83.

I tried a KARMA GE - there is a "Flip CC#83" GE preset under the CC tab. That worked instantly - well - the GE did not, what I would prefer but at least the effect was automated.

Every external sequencer which is sending one of the Dmod compliant CC#s can do the job, why not Kronos internally? Korg should change this!

Do you have experience with the FX Control 1 or FX Control 2? I will try this next.

[QuiRobinez]

Do you have experience with the FX Control 1 or FX Control 2? I will try this next.

yes, check tutorial 5 on my channel to see how to use the FX control busses. I'm using it there with a compressor

[QuiRobinez]

I tried a KARMA GE - there is a "Flip CC#83" GE preset under the CC tab. That worked instantly - well - the GE did not, what I would prefer but at least the effect was automated.

a good CC83 GE is the GE: 2013 CC83 Alternator, it has great patterns for use with the Talkmod FX.

Use the following KARMA settings for that:
- Mono activated (you don't want chords)
- Filter transmit out Midi CC B (because you don't want the Resonance automated in this GE)
- Filter Notes out (only use the CC pattern)
- modify the KARMA Perf RPT parameters to your liking

I got quite some nice patterns this way, where my favorite was a deep talking sweep pattern.

[Corgy]

Do you have experience with the FX Control 1 or FX Control 2? I will try this next.

yes, check tutorial 5 on my channel to see how to use the FX control busses. I'm using it there with a compressor

Thanks, just watched the tutorial - seems easy enough. I will try to apply this to my case and report it it works - it should

I will watch the others too - excellent work!

[Corgy]

I tried a KARMA GE - there is a "Flip CC#83" GE preset under the CC tab. That worked instantly - well - the GE did not, what I would prefer but at least the effect was automated.

a good CC83 GE is the GE: 2013 CC83 Alternator, it has great patterns for use with the Talkmod FX.

Use the following KARMA settings for that:
- Mono activated (you don't want chords)
- Filter transmit out Midi CC B (because you don't want the Resonance automated in this GE)
- Filter Notes out (only use the CC pattern)
- modify the KARMA Perf RPT parameters to your liking

I got quite some nice patterns this way, where my favorite was a deep talking sweep pattern.

Yea - that was the correct name "Alternator" - not "Flip" - sorry...

I did not know, that I can change something. It was my first try to look deeper in KARMA. I removed the note output and the CC-A and CC-B and did some slider movement and was happy that the FX was modulated at all. The result was not really convincing, but I will pay some more attention to this GE now - thanks to you.

I have my Kronos for a couple of weeks only and was completely busy exploring the Combis and Programs (and this is not finished). But since some days I am trying to port some of my softsynth sound programming skills to the Kronos, because I miss some "digital" sounds ...

[Corgy]

Just a short update ...

FX Control works fine as a side-chain with a compressor, but the same audio signal seems not suited enough for the FX "Talking Modulator".

I checked this out in Combi mode with a second timbre. There is some response, but not sufficient modulation depth. Best response was using the drum track, but the signal shapes of drums are not producing what I was after. A melodic timbre with amplitude modulation, done by a step-sequencer, worked pretty good as input for the compressor FX but created little response with the Talking Mod FX. The reason might be, that there is no "sensitivity" or "intensity" parameter to adopt to the side-chain signal in Talking Mod.

[QuiRobinez]

FX Control works fine as a side-chain with a compressor, but the same audio signal seems not suited enough for the FX "Talking Modulator".

I checked this out in Combi mode with a second timbre. There is some response, but not sufficient modulation depth. Best response was using the drum track, but the signal shapes of drums are not producing what I was after.

I didn't try it, but in my opinion the velocity value of the drum would give a linear response to the Effect when using it with the control fx busses. Now since drumtracks have the same velocitypattern over and over again, you probably won't notice much difference. What i would try in that case is to 'randomize the velocity pattern' of the drum program with KARMA or create step sequenced Note Next pattern and assign that to the velocity setting of the drum program.

Then assign that as a Dmod input and then you should have a programmed pattern ranging values from 0 - 127 to your liking in the talkmod FX.

Now when you want to have a predictable pattern just create a user drumtrack with 16th notes and then it should work.

But again, all theory, i have not tried it (but i will try it later and let you know if this works)

[Corgy]

FX Control works fine as a side-chain with a compressor, but the same audio signal seems not suited enough for the FX "Talking Modulator".

I checked this out in Combi mode with a second timbre. There is some response, but not sufficient modulation depth. Best response was using the drum track, but the signal shapes of drums are not producing what I was after.

I didn't try it, but in my opinion the velocity value of the drum would give a linear response to the Effect when using it with the control fx busses. Now since drumtracks have the same velocitypattern over and over again, you probably won't notice much difference. What i would try in that case is to 'randomize the velocity pattern' of the drum program with KARMA or create step sequenced Note Next pattern and assign that to the velocity setting of the drum program.

Then assign that as a Dmod input and then you should have a programmed pattern ranging values from 0 - 127 to your liking in the talkmod FX.

Now when you want to have a predictable pattern just create a user drumtrack with 16th notes and then it should work.

But again, all theory, i have not tried it (but i will try it later and let you know if this works)

Thank you again.

Would it be possible and not too complicated, to get an ARP or step-sequencer like pattern out of a KARMA GE? I think that I would have to create my own GE and I am considering if it was a good idea to get the KARMA software. Do you have any experience with those hundreds of parameters of KARMA?