Vocal harmony

[Niblit]

Here's one for ya..
Does the mighty K have the ability to harmonise a vocal track?

Example.. I want to record a vocal to an audio track in the sequencer and use some kind of IFX to automatically produce another voice at a different pitch as if two people were singing at the same time..

I know this can be done with hardware such as the Boss VP10 but I just wondered if I could do it on the K

I could simply record two audio tracks but that's just booooring ...

[ronnfigg]

Where's the human element?

[Niblit]

Where's the human element?

Well I was only asking

[DocBambs]

I would look at a separate gadget. I use a TC-Helicon Harmony-M (just a MIDI connection from the Kronos - you don't need to give it the notes as it just works it all out from what you are playing) and my wife uses a VoiceLive Play (which works with built in mikes or an 3.5" audio feed to get the pitching.)

DB

[DennyC]

I'm waiting for the Paul McCartney patch and the Stone's combi!

[Niblit]

- you don't need to give it the notes as it just works it all out from what you are playing)

DB

THAT is exactly what I was hoping to find buried in the Kronos effects somewhere. But sadly my hope turned out to be just a wasted spark of imagination.

Kronos is now in the bin.

[DocBambs]

- you don't need to give it the notes as it just works it all out from what you are playing)

DB

THAT is exactly what I was hoping to find buried in the Kronos effects somewhere. But sadly my hope turned out to be just a wasted spark of imagination.

The Kronos seems like it should do it... every time I watch the KARMA module data screens, with it adeptly working out the chords you are playing, it seems like it should be possible somewhere between effects and KARMA.

I do love my Harmony-M though - sometimes, if I just need to play piano and do some backing vocals, I just take it and leave the Kronos at home... don't tell anyone.

Kronos is now in the bin.

If there is time, please remove it from the bin. I will PM you my shipping address. Let me know how much the delivery costs.

DB

[ChrisP]

I had the same question in my mind and found only the vocoder patch that uses voice (mic input) and modulates in some form. Think the TC helicon processor has built-in PA 500/800.

Slightly off topic - Could someone please suggest a practical application of a vocoder?

While trying different synth options with USER - A-127 program the overall sound didn't seem to change much.

[runningman67]

I could simply record two audio tracks but that's just booooring ...

Thats what I'd do. Boring can save a lot of hassle

[billbaker]

Vocoder can add formant filtering similar to what you might get with a wah pedal but with much more detail, or results similar to what you'd get in a Heil talk box ('Do You Feel What I Feel" - Peter Frampton, "Livin' on a Prayer" - Bon Jovi).

With thicker choir patches the result can match vowel sounds of a text - consonants are more difficult to do except for sibilants such as "S" or "F".

Because you get it using an instinctive modulator - your voice - it is faster and more accurate than trying to learn to produce the same effect using a controller such as JS or pedal.

It also allows you to accurately produce phonemes in between the traditional long and short vowels (e.g., umlauts or vowel-R) and transition smoothly between extremes out of order where a "normal" formant filter might be much more limited.

And it makes cool robot and Darth Vader voices.

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For what it's worth, Motif had an add on board (now out of production) that was essentially an installed TC Helicon voice processor. I think an outboard rack or pedal controlled mini-effect would give you more flexibility.

Be aware that harmony processing (Voice Helicon) itself is only one of several TC Electronics pedals, others have different capabilities: vocal FX (i.e., compression, doubling), correcting (de-esser, pitch), delay effects (chorus, reverb), so if you get one of these read up on what it actually does before buying just based on the name.

Digitech also made a midi controlled harmony processor called MIDI-Vocalist that was OK (not as transparent in use as the Helicon) - that should be in the $100-150 range if you can find it used.


BB

[Niblit]

Kronos is in the bin...
HONESTLY I would rather give up my car so don't worry guys, the mighty K is still taking more room in my home than my wardrobe.

Recording multiple vocal tracks is boooooring....
I was just TRYING to be funny.
Of course I do it when I need to, it I was just wondering if the K could do it.

Don't worry, I'll still post on the forum when I'm famous and worth more than a can of beans..

[Lou]

I've been using TC Helicon VoiceLive 2.
USB to computer, DAW, Kronos and vocals work beautifully.
A plethora of features I haven't even explored..

[BasariStudios]

A lot of time people confuse Vocoder and Vocal Harmonizer and end up
buying something that they don't really need. The 2 are very different
things, maybe similar to the difference of Earth and Jupiter.

[Sam CA]

Or just use Melodyne to re-arrange your vocal tracks. I really hate randomly or even 3rd up harmonized tracks produced by hardware harmonizers. They're OK for a live performance in a bar or something, but nothing to be taken seriously in a quality recording. I'm not talking about a vocoder...


Edit: Never mind, just spotted the word "Lazy".

[DennyC]

I've been using TC Helicon VoiceLive 2.
USB to computer, DAW, Kronos and vocals work beautifully.
A plethora of features I haven't even explored..

Sorry Niblit, I was just having fun. The option that Lou has suggested is a
good one, also the Digitech Vocalist Live Pro. Those make it a Kronos X+.