Anyone interested in an Editor "buy group"

[BasariStudios]

Ányway, I am curious how Korg and Soundquest justify...

Sorry Jim, as I have said before I can't discuss the terms of the contract.

You also should not take peoples comment out of context, why didn't you
copy his whole Question which states:

Ányway, I am curious how Korg and Soundquest justify the denial of 64 bit-support for the free Kronos editor version, in times were 64bit has become a standard music envirionment, especially for professional and home studio use.

Any smart person in the world sees that he is not asking about any Contract
details as you put it but your simple justification or Korgs too of not having
a 64 bit editor.

Unless i inject some reality into this, discussions become like a bunch
of old ladies gossiping their neighbors...lets be real.

[SoundQuest]

Here we go again...!

As I understand, the issue is not with the editor software, but the KRONOS architecture. You can not modify/edit programs from COMBI or SONG mode, the mode most often used while working from DAW. All banks of programs have to be loaded into memory, regardless of the fact if they are being used in the COMBI or SONG. So, you can't really have a VSTi or Editor software like for the other synth and workstations. So, don't be disappointed if you still not get the same functionatliy as other VSTi after paying for SoundQuest 11.

There are two answers to this. I think at this point it is common knowledge that the SysX implementation of the Kronos doesn't provide direct access to the 16 programs being used by a Combi or Song as you find it in a Roland synth.

However, there is Tone Adjust which does give you access to 32 parameters (selectable from a range of several hundred) for each program while it is being used in a Combi or Song. These can be adjusted in real time and generally alloow you to access the parameters that are most likely to be automated.

Assuming your sequencer is capable of recording SysX, you can automate any of these parameters right now.

[SoundQuest]

You also should not take peoples comment out of context, why didn't you copy his whole Question which states:

I thought what I had copied was sufficient. I apologize if it wasn't.

I also though my reply was sufficiently clear but maybe it isn't, so...

In my opinion, answering the question does require referencing the contract. I answer what I can but there will always be limits on what I can say.

[jimknopf]

No problem from my side, soundquest, don't worry.

But Nedim is right: it's about the main question, and no matter how the deal between Korg and soundquest is (for any halfway smart person it seems obvious by now that Korg only bought a 32bit version), it will not work well like that, at least not from my side.

Of course the Kronos still is my favorite synth/workstation.
But these kinds of decisions (no Asio support for Kronos soundcard, editor not much more than a Kronos surface mirror, no real plugin functionality, no 64bit support for the editor) are simply annoying for users.

[xmlguy]

Sending money to Sound Quest only rewards them for creating software with terrible usability and poor interface design.

A fixed window layout with disabled maximize button and no resizing is embarrassing to see in this day and age of cheap HD LCD displays and multi-display setups. Running the Kronos Editor on my LCD panel would only please MiniMe and Umpa-Lumpas with magnifiying glasses. Korg has the same dysfunctional fixed design with the synth editors, but at least those are freely downloadable.

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/0 ... radox.html

I fully expect that the editor for the effinKingKorg will have fixed window design too. I've given up hope of expecting any better from Korg. Maybe in 10 years, Korg and Sound Quest will realize the need for window resizing. That's probably too much to expect. Resizeable windows - that's just crazy talk to them. Who would ever need a window that actually resizes?

[xp50player]

I think at minimum Korg ought to tell us definitively if there is nothing better, editor-wise, to hope for down the road and that this is our best and only option for 64-bit support in a DAW. It would be a shame for a bunch of people to buy MidiQuest XL in anticipation that it some day supports Kronos, and then Korg comes out with some other editor at MusikMesse.

[Shakil]

A fixed window layout with disabled maximize button and no resizing is embarrassing to see in this day and age of cheap HD LCD displays and multi-display setups.

Show me any other VSTi or sound editor with resizable graphics and window....

[miden]

A fixed window layout with disabled maximize button and no resizing is embarrassing to see in this day and age of cheap HD LCD displays and multi-display setups.

Show me any other VSTi or sound editor with resizable graphics and window....

+1

[BasariStudios]

As far as i know Kontakt is the only resizable VST Plugin and NO other...
but this is still a bunch of Bologni.

[pfrocha]

I have another important question about MidiQuest XL.

I checked their website (ftp://soundquest.org/) to see the supported keyboards (you need to install a specific .sqz file for the keyboard you want to use) and to my surprise KRONOS IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

I sent an e-mail to SoundQuest 10 days ago asking how I could upgrade to MidiQuest XL if Kronos is not listed, but they did not answer.

Any thoughts?

Actually, we haven't replied because we didn't receive your email.

Midi Quest 11 will include the Kronos editor. The Kronos was/is so much more sophisticated than any other instrument that we have supported, it was necessary to add a lot of new functionality to the software. As a result, Midi Quest 10 is not capable of running the editor.

So, yes, you can upgrade to Midi Quest if you would like.

I'm sorry, but I still don't get it.

As of now, if you click the "upgrade" in Kronos Editor, you are sent to SoundQuest's website, where it states you can upgrade from Kronos Editor to Midi Quest 10 (or 10 XL) for $219 (or $299):

Kronos Editor Upgrade
Korg Kronos Editor -> Midi Quest 10 XL $299
Korg Kronos Editor -> Midi Quest 10 $219

Now you are telling us that Midi Quest 10 (or 10 XL) does not support Kronos.

So what exactly do I get if I upgrade now and pay the $219 ($299)? A Midi Quest 10 that does not support the Kronos?

[BasariStudios]

LOLZ! This is getting funnier now.

[miden]

LOLZ! This is getting funnier now.

Nedim, sorry m8, but comments like the ones you are posting are really not helping, and are not really necessary...

I mean sheesh, your "signature" takes up more room than most peoples' posts!!! Now THAT'S funny - a bit bizarre mind you, but funny

Dennis

[Ojustaboo]

Nobody asked for contract details. The only relevant thing is a fair result: the editor with at least some useful functionality, and in a 64bit compatible version for all Kronos users.

I have made my personal decision: I will not buy soundquest 11, as long as 64bit support is restricted to that extended version. As soon as the free Kronos version incorprates 64bit support, I will check Soundquest 11 for other welcome additional functionality and possibly buy it.

So for the moment, I am outside of the group buy: this has become a matter of principle for me, and I won't give in.

Yep, I agree 100%

[miden]

Sorry to say this guys, and as MUCH as I respect your principle on this...we need to perhaps set this aside, compromise and we MAY just be successful.

We need lots of positive people to agree to look at a group buy and to try to avoid the negative comment.

I am not saying keep it quiet or hide it under the carpet...not at all, I think there have already been PLENTY of posts on the negatives and I did not start this thread as yet another platform for folks to soapbox...

So if you do not want to participate, fine, no problem, but save the speech making for the other threads you have already posted the same, or VERY similar comments to..

Thanks

[xmlguy]

A fixed window layout with disabled maximize button and no resizing is embarrassing to see in this day and age of cheap HD LCD displays and multi-display setups.

Show me any other VSTi or sound editor with resizable graphics and window....

Roland Fantom Librarian (also lets the font size and layout to be adjusted.)
Casio XW Editor
Yamaha Studio Manager

But your argument is rather weak because even if there were no other examples, that doesn't mean that resizeable windows aren't needed now that HiDef LCD panels and multiple displays has become very common and cheap, which was the reason I stated that you ignored. Perhaps you've never tried to use the Kronos Sound Quest editor on a high res display? Since it doesn't let you set the font size or the window size, then the window gets smaller and smaller as resolutions get larger and larger. It's already to the point that the window text is unreadable in many configurations and difficult to read in others.

This is not a problem that I'm inventing. I can't use software that I can't effin see, and the problem isn't with my vision. There are hundreds of LCD monitors that support full HD 1980x1024, some that do 2560 x 1600, and 4000x2000 are already on their way. This problem is NOT going away. Resolutions will continue to increase. A fixed window size is stupid, and if he/she can't see that, then that causes real problems for the customers. It has always been stupid and lazy (for the software designer) to settle for fixed window sizes when you know that the display resolutions will vary widely and you have no control over it. Not many people are willing to change to whatever display resolution that's been arbitrarily picked by one software application unless that's the only app they use. Besides, it's not as if some kind of pixel magic is needed to make resizable windows. It just takes a little more planning and thought about what should happen when a window resizes. If you are satisfied with fixed window sizes, fine, good for you. It doesn't work for me, so I'm not going to buy any software that I can't use.