tone changes depends on pressure

imnothing · Post by **imnothing** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:31 am

hi forum.. im new in here, and forgive me for poor english.
i just realized about my kronos-73 that in some sound like sfz (brass) and la .... (e.piano), after i press it quiete strong then something that really annoying me appear. there's a shadow tone (like layer) that changing depends on my pressure. if i press it hard enough than it would be fine, but just in time i low the pressure the shadow (layer)tone change higher while the 1st tone still in normal tone.
is it factory setting, or something is happen with my kronos?
i've tried to reset my kronos, but this annoying thing still happen..
forum, I really need advice from You..
thanks
Yessi

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:15 am

This must be related with aftertouch. Aftertouch is a modulation that can be programmed when you keep pressing the keys.

I'm not sure if you can test this by disabling aftertouch in Global mode: go to MIDI Tab then to MIDI subtab and you'll find on the upper right corner a section called MIDI Filter, there you must uncheck the box Enable Aftertouch

If the problem dissappears once you disable aftertouch, your next step is to remove any modulation caused by aftertouch on the Program by looking at every page. This is because you should enable again aftertouch in Global mode.

imnothing · Post by **imnothing** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:25 pm

MarPabl wrote:This must be related with aftertouch. Aftertouch is a modulation that can be programmed when you keep pressing the keys.

I'm not sure if you can test this by disabling aftertouch in Global mode: go to MIDI Tab then to MIDI subtab and you'll find on the upper right corner a section called MIDI Filter, there you must uncheck the box Enable Aftertouch

If the problem dissappears once you disable aftertouch, your next step is to remove any modulation caused by aftertouch on the Program by looking at every page. This is because you should enable again aftertouch in Global mode.

Thanks for reply, Im just about to test it. Btw have You tried it in Your kronos? Is it factory setting? I tried format and restore my kronos because of it but it hasnt change..

metallo · Post by **metallo** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:50 pm

I think more than the aftertouch this happens with combis having different layers to different velocity curves...you can modify the velocity curve for each of the layers of the combi.

imnothing · Post by **imnothing** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:21 pm

Btw its sfz brass I-C079, and Fm Spark Chorus Piano I-B018 that ive realized have this problem (to me), and its not combis but PROG. anyway i've tried disabled the AFTERTOUCH, but its still there... Really need advice here, thanks

metallo · Post by **metallo** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:59 pm

I have my kronos to the service to change the keybed at the moment so can't "investigate" but probably it's the velocity applied to the oscillators?

geoelectro · Post by **geoelectro** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:01 pm

I just played these two sounds. The ZFX Brass sounds normal to me. It has a strong attack, then softens, and then louder again. After touch adds some vibrato and opens the filter somewhat. The FM Spark Chorus Piano doesn't seem to have any after touch effects. I do notice it will sound considerably different with different velocities.

Velocity - how hard you hit the key.
After touch - how hard you push the key after it is already down.

Both sounds have a considerable change in sound according to velocity.
I wonder if this is what you mean?

Again, sounds normal to me. Perhaps your velocity curve setting isn't ideal...

Geo

imnothing · Post by **imnothing** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:56 pm

I've just found how to fix some sound, but then i realized more sounds have this problem. Yes its about oscilator but different sound has different menu that its quite difficult to find. Maybe ive done something wrong with the setting (or maybe someone else as the keyboard is use at church). So the oscilator (and others thing that might made the problem), can i set it to factory setting? Ive tried format the harddisk and use the preload.ksc from the disk once, but the problem still there.
Please help me... Sorry for ask to much

God bless U

Yessi

1jordyzzz · Post by **1jordyzzz** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:00 pm

imnothing wrote:I've just found how to fix some sound, but then i realized more sounds have this problem. Yes its about oscilator but different sound has different menu that its quite difficult to find. Maybe ive done something wrong with the setting (or maybe someone else as the keyboard is use at church). So the oscilator (and others thing that might made the problem), can i set it to factory setting? Ive tried format the harddisk and use the preload.ksc from the disk once, but the problem still there.
Please help me... Sorry for ask to much

God bless U

Yessi

Is this yessi kristianto??

Gw dari 3 k, si jordi.. Inget gak mas yessi???

By the way, i'll check the problems for you.. Will come back tomorrow..

1jordyzzz · Post by **1jordyzzz** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:04 pm

imnothing wrote:I've just found how to fix some sound, but then i realized more sounds have this problem. Yes its about oscilator but different sound has different menu that its quite difficult to find. Maybe ive done something wrong with the setting (or maybe someone else as the keyboard is use at church). So the oscilator (and others thing that might made the problem), can i set it to factory setting? Ive tried format the harddisk and use the preload.ksc from the disk once, but the problem still there.
Please help me... Sorry for ask to much

God bless U

Yessi

Meanwhile mas yessi, try this:
1. Deactivate aftertouch from global..
2. Try to run the single program at the combi mode.. When running it this way, it'll disable any kronos' feature related to the program, in this case, the KARMA.. I've had problem once with LA Electric piano. It doesn't trigger SST when i jumped from that program into another. When i run the program in combi mode, the problem solved!! Turns out that KARMA is the culprit.. If i remember it's either francois, MarPabl or maybe michel who tells me that..

levioter · Post by **levioter** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:36 pm

Hi,
I agree with geoelectro those programs seem normal to me also !
Nothing special !
So you should have touched something that affects globaly the sounds.
Is the kronos connected to a Pc and DAW or another midi device that may use the midi CC ?

Cheers

imnothing · Post by **imnothing** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:33 am

i didnt connect to pc. but i think its related to midi setting. do u know how to reset the global setting (included midi right?) to the factory setting? thanks

Ojustaboo · Post by **Ojustaboo** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:12 am

imnothing wrote:i didnt connect to pc. but i think its related to midi setting. do u know how to reset the global setting (included midi right?) to the factory setting? thanks

Your in luck, I made notes of the default global and midi settings after deleting everything on my SSD and reinstalling from the 2.02 DVDs for another forum member a week or so ago.

Global page,

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Basic
Master Tune: +00 cent
Key Transpose: +00
Velocity Curve: 4
After Touch Curve: 3

Effect Global SW:
IFX1-12 Off    Check Box unticked
MFX1&2 Off     Check Box Unticked
TFX1&2 Off     Check Box Unticked

Karma/Drum Track:
All KARMA/DT Off    Check Box Unticked

Load KARMA settings when changing:
Program          Check Box TICKED
Combination      Check Box TICKED 

System Preferences:

Bank Map KORG           Check Box TICKED,  
GM(2)                   Check Box unticked

System Clock  Internal       Check Box TICKED,  
S/P DIF                      Check Box unticked

Power On Mode: Reset
Internal Headroom: +48dB
Hold Time: 5 sec
Knob/Slider Mode: Jump

Beep Enabled            Check Box TICKED
Auto Optimize RAM       Check Box TICKED
 
Bit Depth:
HDR (AudioTrack)    16-bit
Sample to Disk      16-bit

Memory Protect, Everything below this is UNTICKED, they are
Program
Combination
Song
Set List
Drum Kit
Wave Sequence
KARMA GE
Internal HDD Save

On the KSC Auto-Load Tab, ONLY PRELOAD.KSC is ticked

On the MIDI Tab

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Midi Channel:  01
Local Control On      Check Box is TICKED

Convert Position: Pre MIDI
Note Receive: All

Midi clock
Internal          Check Box is TICKED
External MIDI     Check Box unticked
Auto MIDI         Check Box unticked
External USB      Check Box unticked
Auto USB          Check Box unticked

Receive EXT. Realtime Commands         Check Box is TICKED

MIDI FILTER, EVERYTHING IN THIS SECTION HAS THE CHECK BOXES TICKED which is:
Enable Program Change
Bank Change
Combination Change
Enable After Touch
Enable Control Change
Enable Exclusive

MIDI Routing Setup:
Vector Midi Out:
Vector Joystick      Check Box is TICKED
Vector CC Control    Check Box is unticked

Pads MIDI Out:
Pad CC/Note       Check Box unticked
Chord Notes       Check Box is TICKED

KARMA External Routing
Enable KARMA Module to MIDI Out        Check Box is TICKED
Enable MIDI in to KARMA Module         Check Box is TICKED

Start/Stop (Realtime) Out - Enable Start/Stop Out in Prog/Combi  Check Box is unticked

SEQ MIDI Out Setup:
Song Track:  for Master
Param Edit:  Control Change

Drum Track MIDI Setup
Prog MIDI Ch:  10
Prog MIDI Out     Check Box is unticked

JPWC · Post by **JPWC** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:45 am

Have you checked the global setting for the aftertouch curve?

Default is curve #3.

I like a light velocity curve, but a heavy aftertouch curve. But each to their own style of playing.

You might also do a factory reset, as you said, who knows, who did what? (you may never solve that divine mystery).

Reload the PCG file.

I find the show room dummies (keyboards) at guitar center (my local music retailer) are always being messed with. Church is the same way. Un-supervised, not knowledgeable people are hitting buttons & basically screwing around with things.

Review Ojustaboo's list, it may contain the answer, thanks Ojustaboo, that a cool list.

imnothing · Post by **imnothing** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:13 am

woww... You guys are really amazing.. i didnt expect such a great respons like this

thanks alot..

btw thanks @Ojustaboo, i'll test soon.

JPWV, i've tried reset, format ssd, and restore using the restore disk (1 and 2) but the problem still there. at first I though its the prog that has problem and after using the default the PCG file from the restore will solve it, but its not. so I believe its other setting that might have this problem. Global setting i guess, so i'll try to set it to Ojustaboo advice

i'll report soon

Thanks all

1Jordy: im not Yessi Kristianto (GMB right?) but i know him..