Where is the data pool?

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:07 am

If you do a few mistakes while editing a sequence, how do you get back to the point before you messed up and can proceed correctly?

In some DAW's you can access a data pool and see each step that you make.

I believe this can be done on the kronos but I have had no luck in finding this.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks
Jermykeys

Bald Eagle · Post by **Bald Eagle** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:21 am

You don't get anything as nice as a DAW but you have the RESET CONTROLS button and the COMPARE button. They are documented in the Operation Guide.

RESET CONTROLS button
This feature lets you reset the Vector Joystick to the center position, or reset any of the Control Surface sliders, knobs, or switches to their saved value.

COMPARE button
Use this button to compare the sound of the Program or Combination that you are currently editing with the saved, un‐edited version of the sound. You can also use this button to make “before and after” comparisons when recording or editing in Sequencer mode.

ronnfigg · Post by **ronnfigg** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:28 am

Bald Eagle- I think he's talking about sequencing- those features don't work for editing sequences...

metallo · Post by **metallo** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:25 am

Don't know about the reset but the compare button works as an UNDO in sequencer mode when you record something and want to re-record again.

Better than nothing.

You can also use the manual punch in in the master track probably, never used either but actually looks like it is what you need. Check the manual

Bald Eagle · Post by **Bald Eagle** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:07 am

ronnfigg wrote:Bald Eagle- I think he's talking about sequencing- those features don't work for editing sequences...

If he wants to undo a take while recording a sequence then compare will undo one level but that's it. I usually just save multiple takes to external storage.

And while that can be useful I find it annoying most of the time. That feature allocates as much as half of the memory for the saved tracks. When doing very long recordings with many tracks using Karma the memory can fill quickly. I have always hoped for a way to disable the sequencer compare function.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:31 pm

Yes I am talking about being in sequencer mode.
I know about the compare button and use it quite a lot actually.
What I am curious about is if there is any way of going back further than the last edit. I have found that sometimes when I am working quickly I don't want to check through an entire song or track but prefer to move on. Of course this is when "oopsies" rear their ugly heads!

This is also usually late at night and I'm really supposed to be sleeping. At this stage I tend to just say Ef it and go to bed knowing full well that sleep ain't acomin' tonight!

runningman67 · Post by **runningman67** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:03 pm

You could save your sequence as you go along, as you would with a computer. Break your song into chunks of development and save. Then if you make a mistake, just load from your last save.
Just a thought.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:20 pm

Yeah, I could do a lot of save's as I go along but I find that really interrupts the work flow.
I just blast on through and hope I don't mess anything up beyond repair. I know from working with Cubase that if you really mess up something and don't realize until a few or seveal edits later, you can reference the data pool and see what you have done. This allows you to go back to the point right before you oopsed!

Iwas just wondering if such a feature was available on the Kronos, that's all. I tend to be using my K73 right now for a lot of audio recording more than midi for some reason.

So far I've been fairly lucky and haven't done too many bad edits that I couldn't fix but I' know sure as can be that one day the midden will hit the windmill!

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:43 am

jeremykeys wrote:Yeah, I could do a lot of save's as I go along but I find that really interrupts the work flow.

If I have a song the way I want it, I open a new song slot and copy that song. That way, I can go back to the previous slot. I usually end up using two or three slots for a song. There are 200 of them.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:06 am

Mike Conway wrote:
jeremykeys wrote:Yeah, I could do a lot of save's as I go along but I find that really interrupts the work flow.
If I have a song the way I want it, I open a new song slot and copy that song. That way, I can go back to the previous slot. I usually end up using two or three slots for a song. There are 200 of them.

Mike, that sounds like a good way to do it but I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "slots". Could you explain this to an old fart?

Thanks!
Jeremykeys

Bald Eagle · Post by **Bald Eagle** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:25 am

Mike Conway wrote:
jeremykeys wrote:Yeah, I could do a lot of save's as I go along but I find that really interrupts the work flow.
If I have a song the way I want it, I open a new song slot and copy that song. That way, I can go back to the previous slot. I usually end up using two or three slots for a song. There are 200 of them.

If you are only recording a single track and if you have any unused tracks you could also use the Copy Track menu command to make a quick copy of the track you are working on. This keeps the saved track in the same song but since there are a limited number of tracks to begin with you won't be able to save very many different takes. Making a copy of the entire song gives you up to 200 takes as Mike has already said.

Mike Conway · Post by **Mike Conway** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:19 am

jeremykeys wrote:I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "slots". Could you explain this to an old fart?

Slots = Songs or Song locations.

On a related note, I'm one of those people who really misses the Cue List function from the Triton. Sometimes a song is large or complex. However, you can still work in sections, provided the MIDI programs are the same. (copied version of the 1st song.) For example: you can work on the beginning of your song in one slot, the middle in another, and the end in a 3rd slot.

Using COPY MEASURE, you can copy all (or some) tracks from one song and append them to another. It is one of the the only functions that allows you to interact between other songs, so it is my favorite tool.