Upgrade 2nd hand Kronos to Kronos X?

Ojustaboo · Post by **Ojustaboo** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:50 am

A few have managed to get these manuals even though they aren't supposed to have them.

But why can't you share with the rest of us how to get into the calibration menu?

Does it have to be such a great secret?

It will come out eventually anyway but if anyone who has one wants to pm me how to do it, I promise I won't say who told me

Or maybe pm me some clues lol, how many buttons need to be held down at once, whether the touch screen is involved in getting the menu to initially appear

Ojustaboo · Post by **Ojustaboo** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:13 pm

Ojustaboo wrote:I believe it was available for a very short time from parts is parts before korg stopped it being sold. At the time they said they weren't allowed to sell it as the Kronos wasn't over a year old. That was Jan 2012, but its not reappeared yet.

When I do manage to get my hands on one, first thing I will do is post the calibration instructions for all to use.

I emailed parts is parts to ask if/when they were likely to be available, their response

Hi

We are not allowed to sell service manuals for products that are still
available from korg.

Thanks

Parts is Parts

cello · Post by **cello** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:36 pm

@Kevin Nolan - Why do you want a Kronos?

@Francois - Your honest appraisal is refreshing!

operaman · Post by **operaman** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:04 pm

Francois wrote:Yes, you're right to mention the calibration data. However, if you have the service manual, this is something you can recreate yourself.

How do you recreate yourself? I have replaced my SSD a long time ago. I have no problems that I see, but it would be nice to know. If it is against forum rules for some reason I would take a pm. I simply,wish to have my Kronos tip,top. I hold Korg in no way responsible.

Ojustaboo · Post by **Ojustaboo** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:38 pm

I might come across a bit rude saying this, not meant personally to anyone, but it does annoy me.

It's coming across as "I've managed to get my hands on a service manual and you haven't na na na na na , I can calibrate my own machine but you cant na na na na na"

If someone has managed to get the service manual from some unofficial source when they shouldn't have been able to that's the shops fault not theirs.

They are under zero obligation to Korg not to pass on information. Telling us how to access the calibration screen does not breach copyright at all, its not like they are printing part of the manual here.

They could even word it in their own words if they so choose, but if they felt that was really necessary, this forum must be breaking various Korg copyrights every day as people are always quoting from various manuals.

It feels like they are playing the superiority card, I've got it, you haven't here, watch me wave my finger at you.

Almost like playing a MMO type game where someone comes onto global chat and gloats they have an item no one else has got.

This forum is not owned or run by Korg, if (when) I manage to get hold of a service manual or the calibration info, I shall post it here straight away.

If people do have the service manual (and it is heavily implied that some do on this forum), then either be helpful to other Korg users and help them out by telling them how to access the calibration info or stop gloating and never mention having it again in any thread until its publicly available.

rant mode off

operaman · Post by **operaman** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:51 pm

So.... Does anyone want to share this information or what?

Davidb · Post by **Davidb** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:23 pm

operaman wrote:So.... Does anyone want to share this information or what?

"Or what" its your best bet.

Ojustaboo · Post by **Ojustaboo** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:25 am

I've already sent it to him

operaman · Post by **operaman** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:06 am

Ojustaboo wrote:I've already sent it to him

Thanks again man. The Kronos is a really easy machine to get around if you are a tech. I have a 61 since I already had a Kurzweil PC3X. I may even replace the fan at some point. The question for me will be the motherboard and bios and of course the touch screen.

I also want to say that Dan and Rich are great guys, and they do the best they can in helping us out here on the forums. We must never forget they are also Korg employees and have an obligation to their company first. I understand that, and am just glad I could get this manual. I also own a Korg Polysix, Microstation, M1, and a Korg 01w/FD. I have manuals for all of these and am glad I am now in a position to fix my Kronos if/when I need to.

JonSolo · Post by **JonSolo** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:19 pm

Well I dove in...

Upgraded by adding extra RAM and 120gb SDD in my second slot. It went really smooth.

I probably should have done the wireless thing while I was there but I'll keep doing it the recommended way for now.

BTW, my pads under my keybed are blue.

Jon

Francois · Post by **Francois** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:14 pm

For a while, parts is parts did sell that manual. Not anymore.

Does it mean you can distribute the service manual because you cannot buy it? Everyone is entitled to their opinion as to what feels right. Personally, I do feel it is wrong.

As for me, am I selfish not divulging stuff when I could? Possibly. But:

1- I spend far more time helping others than most people in this forum, via my website Kronoscopie. Hours and hours of unpaid and voluntary work just to help Kronos users in France. And yes, I do feel smug when I read the many thanks I get from people. And no, I don't mistake joking with expressing smugness.

2- I also believe that some information that is potentially dangerous should not be given willy-nilly. At the end of the day, this topic came up when discussing the possibility of replacing the SSD. Well, there is a simple solution if you don't have the service manual. Clone the drive! If you have the knowledge to clone the drive, then you do not need the service manual. If you don't have that knowledge, getting the service manual won't help either!

Action, not verbal diarrhea, is what I believe in. So I put my money where my mouth is and took the time to put together a complete tutorial on changing the drive, step by step, something that has more worth than disseminating bits of info and letting inexperienced users potentially screw their system up.

But hey, no worries. When that happens, they can always come back to the (put expletive word here) person who helped them screw it up, can't they !

Ojustaboo · Post by **Ojustaboo** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:41 am

While I understand where your coming from (I wasn't calling you personally selfish by the way, I was making a general comment), the sort of person that gets the service manual and wrecks their Kronos, is the sort of person that would have opened and wrecked it it without the service manual.

You are a very helpful member of this forum and only recently was a great help to me (and I really appreciate the help you gave me ), I really wasn't aiming my comment at you.

Unless your service manual is different from mine, my one shows a lot of electronic diagrams that while I can follow them, most people wouldn't, it shows an exploded diagram of the three models but no instructions on how to disassemble them, it shows how to do tests but not how to adjust things if the tests aren't correct, and at the end it has a load of useful pictures.

I understand what you are saying and to a point I agree with you. The info in this service manual is so vague, that if you weren't competent, I don't think many would attempt their own repairs (apart from the people that would regardless of if they had the manual or not).

But many people live in countries where there are no authorised centre etc, and those people need all the help they can get. The main reason I gave it to others was so that they had the info to self test their machines.

It doesn't even explain how to upgrade the ram etc, so I can't see many people doing harm with it.

I found the tests useful and I suspect others do too.

It was only because of the comment about calibration data that I got concerned and sought it out.

I don't think your selfish at all and fully understand your point of view.

Best

Joe

Francois · Post by **Francois** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:30 am

Ojustaboo wrote:the sort of person that gets the service manual and wrecks their Kronos, is the sort of person that would have opened and wrecked it it without the service manual.

My experience from years and years of forum moderation in France is the exact opposite. Having the service manual, some people are going to feel empowered to open their synth and start messing with it.

At the end of the day, the service manual is only of any use if you are an electronician. For Joe Public, apart from telling what spares to get, like the ref for the motherboard, the SSD, the RAM... I don't really see the advantage in having it. And even that can be found without the service manual.

My personal opinion is that, on this particular issue, you have acted like a spoilt child, not as a sensible adult who thinks before he talks and acts, simply because you were angry you couldn't get a particular piece of info, info which you could have done without in the first place.

operaman · Post by **operaman** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:07 pm

Francois wrote:
Ojustaboo wrote:the sort of person that gets the service manual and wrecks their Kronos, is the sort of person that would have opened and wrecked it it without the service manual.
My experience from years and years of forum moderation in France is the exact opposite. Having the service manual, some people are going to feel empowered to open their synth and start messing with it.

At the end of the day, the service manual is only of any use if you are an electronician. For Joe Public, apart from telling what spares to get, like the ref for the motherboard, the SSD, the RAM... I don't really see the advantage in having it. And even that can be found without the service manual.

My personal opinion is that, on this particular issue, you have acted like a spoilt child, not as a sensible adult who thinks before he talks and acts, simply because you were angry you couldn't get a particular piece of info, info which you could have done without in the first place.

edited personally to avoid a forum flame war.

JonSolo · Post by **JonSolo** » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:54 pm

Can't we all just get along?