Automatically change combi's while playing. Possible?

[laandodeman]

I play progressive too. Maybe you can change the polarity of the switch pedal, so when you release the pedal the program/combi changes.
For some people is better to hold the pedal while you are playing and when you need the change just release it.

Not so easy when you use your feet also for swell, sustain and taurus pedals

[ronnfigg]

I play progressive too. Maybe you can change the polarity of the switch pedal, so when you release the pedal the program/combi changes.
For some people is better to hold the pedal while you are playing and when you need the change just release it.

Six of one- half dozen of the other?

[ronnfigg]

You would if you would play the complex progressive rockmusic in the style we do

Sometimes I need to switch combi's up to 15 times in a song and I need to rehearse a lot to remember when exactly I have to change sounds. The stress that you would miss a switch is distracting during playing. Moreover, I sometimes only have a few nanoseconds to switch

Are you using a K88? Would you be able to set up a split so you wouldn't have to worry about switching patches, just the position of your hands on the keyboard?

[apex]

I don't like bands using a clicktrack (sorry no offense though), before you know it keyboard players start using sequencer parts instead of playing everything live and it's the start of just playing an MP3 on stage.

Well just rip me to shreds mk.....

[laandodeman]

Are you using a K88? Would you be able to set up a split so you wouldn't have to worry about switching patches, just the position of your hands on the keyboard?

Yes, I use the K88 and I use layers, splits and everything. I even use the swell pedal for morphing between two sounds (by using the stereo limtiter for fading one sound and unfading the other, which is a great trick by the way ). And I use the sliders. But yet I need many different combi's for my songs

Maybe I should just have learned to play some commercial pop-music. Much easier

[Umut Erhan]

(by using the stereo limtiter for fading one sound and unfading the other, which is a great trick by the way )

Can you tell more about this stereo limiter trick?

[laandodeman]

Can you tell more about this stereo limiter trick?

Yes of course.

When thinking about selling my Nord Stage, in which you do this easily with the so called morphing feature, I was surprised cross fading sounds with a swell pedal couldn't be done in an easy way with the Oasys/Kronos.

But then Stephen Kay taught me the trick in his forum: http://www.karma-lab.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18179

[ShaneFF]

You would if you would play the complex progressive rockmusic in the style we do

Sometimes I need to switch combi's up to 15 times in a song and I need to rehearse a lot to remember when exactly I have to change sounds. The stress that you would miss a switch is distracting during playing. Moreover, I sometimes only have a few nanoseconds to switch

Actually I do play prog. I still cant see the problem in quick patch changes... its part of playing the keyboard

Jordan Rudess doesn't seem to have problems flicking through loads of patches, and he just uses the foot switch as a program up function!

[Rodan]

I play progressive too. Maybe you can change the polarity of the switch pedal, so when you release the pedal the program/combi changes.
For some people is better to hold the pedal while you are playing and when you need the change just release it.

Not so easy when you use your feet also for swell, sustain and taurus pedals

That's true... I also use a Sustain and a expresion pedal, but some people prefer to hold and release, and play with the release time, sustain and add some effects with the aftertouch and don't use more pedals... it's just a way to play... i don't like it XD
If you are already using layers, splits, velocity splits, etc... I think you just have to practice a lot switching sounds with the pedal, I don't see another way to do it.

[jeremykeys]

Maybe I should just have learned to play some commercial pop-music. Much easier

And now we have to shoot you!

I get the problem. In my heavy band I sometimes have up to 8 program changes in one song and sometimes they come pretty quickly. Funny thing, now that I think about it, it almost happens in my country band too. Hmmm. I don't have bass pedals but I'm often singing.

[laandodeman]

and don't use more pedals... it's just a way to play... i don't like it XD
If you are already using layers, splits, velocity splits, etc... I think you just have to practice a lot switching sounds with the pedal, I don't see another way to do it.

Think your right. It's my fate. Have been practicing a lot already and it works better every day. But yet, I continue to have moments in which I miss a hit on my program change pedal, or I accidentally hit it twice.....

I noticed that when I hit the pedal imagining as if it were a music note, with the right rhythm, it works better.

[Umut Erhan]

I noticed that when I hit the pedal imagining as if it were a music note, with the right rhythm, it works better.

well that's really clever!

[jeremykeys]

I noticed that when I hit the pedal imagining as if it were a music note, with the right rhythm, it works better.

well that's really clever!

Good idea. I've never thought of it that way but it makes a lot of sense.
I have a song where I have to stomp my foot just to include an extra beat.

I get it!

[DennyC]

The point is that I use a footswitch already but I want to make my life as a musician easier.

And i know that many drummers use a clicktrack, but we don't want that. We like to go with the flow while playing live.... Until now, we have been able to avoid the clicktrack which makes live performance so much more artificial.

I don't like bands using a clicktrack (sorry no offense though), before you know it keyboard players start using sequencer parts instead of playing everything live and it's the start of just playing an MP3 on stage.



Interesting point Michel.

That situation has already arrived. Big concerts, some singers lip sync to pre recorded tracks. Sometimes even the music itself is faked and the musicians pretend they are playing. Sometimes a singer will sing to pre-recorded music. Really, what we have here is the complete range of relativity in the name of entertainment; a no rules no constraints form of expression.

You can take it all the way from the MilliVanilli model(don't know how to spell the name correctly)where no singing or playing live happens, then the bowing and taking credit for the performance; to... live performance of music and or singing utilizing only non electrified instruments. It is from one extreme of complete absurdity to another extreme of ascetic simplicity. When we try to impart ethics to music performances, it changes from a musical suject to a philosophical one.

[jeremykeys]

Well, if I can throw in a few words on this subject of which I have thought about quite a lot, I've finally come to this conclusion.

If the audience is happy to watch a Karaoke performance and is willing to pay for it, fine.

However, if you don't tell them; and this refers to the stadium sized show, then you are nothing but a pitiful thief.
You're playing big gigs, hire the freaking necessary musicians! And pay them properly!

On the other hand, if you are doing SMALL club or pub gigs and simply can't afford the extra people to do it right, then just do what you have to to make it sound right.

BUT!!!!!! Don't ever be afraid of letting the audience know that you have backing tracks. You don't have to tell them but if somebody asks, tell the truth.

I used to play in Europe in a band called "Killer Bee". We had a few CD's out and I was the touring keyboard player for a few years. I actually had people accuse me of not really playing because they could see the memory cards poling out of the back of my keyboards.

Every note anyone heard I played live!

I do understand that with different styles of music you have to do what ever is necessary. Just be honest.
That's all I ask.