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Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:14 am

I am wondering, if I wanted a more moog like sound would there be any benefit maybe routing some signal out to one of the moog pedals and then back in? I think this is possible but don't know that it will give the desired moog like sound. I do not have a moog pedal but it would be a small investment if it would work. Thanks Bertotti

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:29 am

IMHO this may be the best way to get the Moog sound sound: MF-101 Lowpass Filter

This takes a mono signal...

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:53 am

That's the one! I think it may be a good way to go. Have you tried one?

MarPabl · Post by **MarPabl** » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:08 am

I haven't

my main concern may be that I think this Moogerfoger isn't designed for polyphonic playing... I understand it has an envelope follower, but I'm not shure how will that behave with several notes playing at once: which one will be the specific cutoff frequency selected and based on what criteria?

But anyway... Moog sound is usually monophonic...

Broadwave · Post by **Broadwave** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:15 am

I'm lucky enough to have a small modular system

I often route the output of the Kronos via a Moog/ARP VCF - Having MIDI to CV/Gate control opens up all kinds of possibilities.

Doepfer do a neat small case for a few modules. Perhaps you could think about getting an ADSR, Moog VCF and MIDI > CV. Shouldn't cost much more than the Moogerfooger and it would be more versatile.

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:24 am

So how do you usually route yours? It sounds interesting.

Broadwave · Post by **Broadwave** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:37 am

Bertotti wrote:So how do you usually route yours? It sounds interesting.

Dry Audio out (no FX) from Kronos into the audio in on the VCF, modulate it with an ADSR module (triggered from MIDI>CV/Gate), then feed the output of the VCF into my mixer (or VCA module for further processing). Obviously it's either mono or "paraphonic", but it gets the job done nicely

I've not tried to feed the audio back into the Kronos, but I'm sure it's a simple affair to do and add Kronos FX if needed.

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:15 pm

I needed a better understanding of ADSR so I read this. I know I have read similar before but I needed a refresher.

http://www.public.asu.edu/~glennh/mtc43 ... /adsr.html

Broadwave · Post by **Broadwave** » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:34 pm

In your link, the top image shows the ADSR controlling a Voltage Controlled Amplifier... just change the VCA to a VCF and you've basically got it

You'll need a MIDI to gate converter to trigger the ADSR (from the Kronos Keyboard), so that you can shape the frequency.

I used to use this arrangement in the late 70's to get pseudo poly synth sounds... I put my old Elka string machine through the Odyssey's filter, played a chord on the Elka and triggered the VCF/ADSR on the ARP's keyboard.

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:15 am

Excellent! Thanks!

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:31 am

Bertotti, One of the best ways that I can recommend to learn about the ADSR's is to really play around with the Polysic engine in the Kronos. I have a real Polysix and this one is identical. You'll be amazed at just how much you can do with just a simple synthesizer.

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:12 am

Will do thanks!

ronnfigg · Post by **ronnfigg** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:31 am

Bertotti wrote:I am wondering, if I wanted a more moog like sound would there be any benefit maybe routing some signal out to one of the moog pedals and then back in? I think this is possible but don't know that it will give the desired moog like sound. I do not have a moog pedal but it would be a small investment if it would work. Thanks Bertotti

What "Moog like" sound are you looking for?

Bertotti · Post by **Bertotti** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 11:21 am

Any I like them all! I am more drawn to the sub phatty now. I have ni moog and need to learn how to integrate it maybe it will fulfill my desires.

jeremykeys · Post by **jeremykeys** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:50 am

The biggest thing to remember is that the Moog is a "synthesizer". It makes a ton of sounds. So trying to say you want a Moog sound is kind of like saying you want a guitar sound for example. Or to even be a bit more extreme, you want a Korg sound!

If you could give us all some musical examples we might have a better chance of finding what you are looking for.

On my old Korg Triton Pro X I have a killer Moog type sound called "Old and Analogue". It is really close to the sound Keith Emerson used in the end of "Lucky Man'.

I guess what I'm slowly getting around to is that unless you actually have a Moog, you are not really going to get that exact tone.
HOWEVER! I have found that you can get really close with the Kronos. So close that unless you are A/Bing the 2 you will never know.
The Trick is to use the AL-1 engine. I've found that using the square wave and having it modulatd by a slow LFO helps.

Forgive me. I know what I want to say but I'm having difficulties in getting it out. I'm not at my Kronos.

I'm also guessing here but I'm thinking that the sound you want is very square wave oriented.
The Moog usually has 3 oscillators. with the 3rd being used often as a modulator. So think of it as having only 2.

Set up a sound using 2 square waves; also known as pulse widths; and adjust them wider and thinner. You will hear a difference as you adjust them. The thinner being a more "Fluteyer" tone if that is such a word.

The next you want to make a wider type of sound.
This is very difficult as I'm trying to describe audio with text.
I'm thinking of using a wide open pulse width or square wave.

Next you want to have them slightly detuned.

That's the best I can give you when I'm supposed to be in bed sleeping!

Good luck and best wishes!

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