I was wondering if the Kronos had a patch that I could use as a starting point for Billy Idol’s Eyes Without a Face? The first one is at the very beginning on the song and it sounds like strings that descend in pitch in a uniform manner. The other comes in at about 11 seconds and is a bit harder to describe. To me it sounds something like a thinned out clav with a bunch of reverb.
Any thoughts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z065qOCwuY8
Billy Idol Eyes Without a Face
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What are "2 sqrs"?R Brenon wrote:That was played by Derek Sherinian. He mostly used NORD keyboards back then but now uses everything under the sun including a KRONOS.
I Think it sounds more like 2 sqrs. One pitchbended to -5 and the other not. The second sounds like a standard bell or fantasia type sound.
And, it was actually played by Judy Dozier. Derek didn't start with Billy until 2002.xp50player wrote:Must have been a prototype Nord, because they were not produced until 1995, 12 years after this song.
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Two square wave oscillators.Cobra Jet wrote:What are "2 sqrs"?R Brenon wrote:That was played by Derek Sherinian. He mostly used NORD keyboards back then but now uses everything under the sun including a KRONOS.
I Think it sounds more like 2 sqrs. One pitchbended to -5 and the other not. The second sounds like a standard bell or fantasia type sound.
Where would I locate the “square wave oscillators”? would they be under affects? Would I do the second as an after touch so that when I take my hand off the keys it starts to bend the pitch to the other note? I’m really lost when it comes to digging in deep with this thing. I was hoping to find a patch that was close that I could just tweak.SanderXpander wrote:Two square wave oscillators.Cobra Jet wrote:What are "2 sqrs"?R Brenon wrote:That was played by Derek Sherinian. He mostly used NORD keyboards back then but now uses everything under the sun including a KRONOS.
I Think it sounds more like 2 sqrs. One pitchbended to -5 and the other not. The second sounds like a standard bell or fantasia type sound.
BTW, R Brenon’s suggestion of “fantasia” got me on my way to a nice sounding patch. Thanks
Nords first synth was released in 1995.....R Brenon wrote:That was played by Derek Sherinian. He mostly used NORD keyboards back then but now uses everything under the sun including a KRONOS.
I Think it sounds more like 2 sqrs. One pitchbended to -5 and the other not. The second sounds like a standard bell or fantasia type sound.
http://www.nordkeyboards.com/main.asp?t ... ny_history
Billy Idols Rebel Yell album was released in 1983...
It was probably an analog synth like a Roland Jupiter, Prophet 5 or an Oberheim???
I am not an expert Kronos programmer but I think you can usually do this type of thing by modulating the pitch envelopes.
I would imagine its possible using one of the analog synth engines in the Kronos.
Maybe one of the forum programming experts could expand on this?
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This is probably a disappointing answer, but I wouldn't recommend building your own patch if you have to start from the beginning like that. If you're interested in doing this in the future, the oft recommended Sound on Sound article series "Synth Secrets" is worth another mention. The Kronos is a superbly powerful synthesizer, it's definitely worth exploring.Cobra Jet wrote:Where would I locate the “square wave oscillators”? would they be under affects? Would I do the second as an after touch so that when I take my hand off the keys it starts to bend the pitch to the other note? I’m really lost when it comes to digging in deep with this thing. I was hoping to find a patch that was close that I could just tweak.SanderXpander wrote:Two square wave oscillators.Cobra Jet wrote: What are "2 sqrs"?
BTW, R Brenon’s suggestion of “fantasia” got me on my way to a nice sounding patch. Thanks
The problem is I don’t even know where to start to get the pitch to drop down in a linear fashion. I think it’s going from an E to a lower B.SanderXpander wrote:This is probably a disappointing answer, but I wouldn't recommend building your own patch if you have to start from the beginning like that. If you're interested in doing this in the future, the oft recommended Sound on Sound article series "Synth Secrets" is worth another mention. The Kronos is a superbly powerful synthesizer, it's definitely worth exploring.Cobra Jet wrote:Where would I locate the “square wave oscillators”? would they be under affects? Would I do the second as an after touch so that when I take my hand off the keys it starts to bend the pitch to the other note? I’m really lost when it comes to digging in deep with this thing. I was hoping to find a patch that was close that I could just tweak.SanderXpander wrote: Two square wave oscillators.
BTW, R Brenon’s suggestion of “fantasia” got me on my way to a nice sounding patch. Thanks
If I were going to simulate this, I'd find some kind of analog string patch and I'd use portamento to do the pitch bending by holding down the original chord and playing another chord below it. Mainly because you can still hear the original chord sustaining as the pitch slide happens -- although that might be because the synth parts were multi-tracked in the studio.Cobra Jet wrote:The problem is I don’t even know where to start to get the pitch to drop down in a linear fashion. I think it’s going from an E to a lower B.
I looked through all the different setting tabs for Analog Strings (Int C036) and I could not find any place to turn on or adjust “portamento”HardSync wrote:If I were going to simulate this, I'd find some kind of analog string patch and I'd use portamento to do the pitch bending by holding down the original chord and playing another chord below it. Mainly because you can still hear the original chord sustaining as the pitch slide happens -- although that might be because the synth parts were multi-tracked in the studio.Cobra Jet wrote:The problem is I don’t even know where to start to get the pitch to drop down in a linear fashion. I think it’s going from an E to a lower B.