A lot of Song Styles for the PA3X

[filipe_l]

any demos of the new ones like bon jovi ,etc?

[keyboard]

any demos of the new ones like bon jovi ,etc?

Please go to www.createsongstyles.com/forum Pick a style that you would like to try and I will send it to you......


Ron

[filipe_l]

A Whiter Shade Of Pale per example. Thank you

[Chuck]

Here's my input. I tried "Wonderful Tonight" by Eric Clapton. I think the lead guitar intro is way to low volume wise. I'd really rather not have to do a complete edit on these types of styles. I did raise the guitar part to max 127 but it is still not right. Take care.

[keyboard]

Chuck

Try some more styles and see how they are..... I will pass this info on to "Chello" our Korg Moderator

Ron

[chellinoolmo]

Hi Ron,

Nice to see a PA3x version there... Could you perhaps tell me how you make the midi files chord neutral, then I would eventually have alot of songstyles to share as well..

It depends what you mean by neutral. Do you mean midi styles that goes in minor; where you must keep the chords in major when using intros, fills, break and endings?

Best midi regards
Chello
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[chellinoolmo]

Sam

Send me an email with a login name and password and I will create you an account.....check it out and if you are ok with our site, send me PayPal...

Please keep in mind that we are a amateur Site that help each other out. Korg Forums is an awesome Site, as it should be, all the resources are free and you have the best of support from Korg ( it doesn't get any better than that )

We cannot compete with that but we can be one heck of a good starting point when it comes to Song Styles.

Ron

Thank you Ron...Yes you could definitely be a good resource specifically for Song-styles, but still it's unclear WHO is creating these styles. Are they just user contributed files (like how it is with the download section here- besides the official Styles), or these are Styles that you have PERSONALLY developed from scratch?

Regarding converted styles, it is I who have made these from 24. September until today; mostly. When it comes to MIDI styles, it is almost exclusively me who made these in the same period.


best regards

Chello (chellinoolmo)
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[DonM]

... and a fine job you are doing, my friend! You seem to be tireless and I and all the other Korg players there appreciate it.
DonM

[chellinoolmo]

... and a fine job you are doing, my friend! You seem to be tireless and I and all the other Korg players there appreciate it.
DonM

Thanks for that!
It is primarily MIDI to STYLE I will concentrate my energy on ahead; where I stand for all processes personal completely from scratch, and can thus guarantee the result.

Moreover, there are very few who are able to create Song Styles from MIDI that is good enough; if any. I do not know anyone who can for Korg; I have not found a single such style that is without serious flaws.

I have my own theories about why this is so - let me just say that this is not due to software - it is good enough; even Style Works is.



Best regards
Chello
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[Dikikeys]

Not to derail the conversation, but do many of you use 'Songstyles' in preference to actual SMF's for a particular reason?

Most of them, from what I've heard, are SO specific to just the one tune that it seems hard to use them for anything else without it becoming easily apparent you are simply doing another tune to the EXACT same backing (and the Intros and Endings are the EXACT ones from that specific tune) as that specific song...

Wouldn't it be as good to use the SMF itself, and drop in Markers so that, if you want to restructure the tune as you go along (I imagine that this is what is often the need), you can use the Markers to jump back and forth within the song structure?

I seldom see this capability discussed here, and yet I think it is as groundbreaking a change to how you use SMF's as the Chord Sequencer is to how you use the arranger! No longer tied to starting at the beginning, going through the sequence the way it is and finishing when it tells you to, isn't that one of the reasons we use an arranger? To regain control...

But along come the Markers, and, without having to resort to songstyles, and still HAVING to play in the chords (even though, if doing that specific song, you aren't going to change them anyway!), you can still use the SMF of the song and still tell the sequence where you want to go. Want an extra solo? Want to jump back to Verse 1 because the crowd got on the dance-floor late? Markers!

While I appreciate all the effort that goes into making songstyles, perhaps it is easier to use the SMF and Markers to give yourself back the flexibility that we expect from the style...? And give your left hand the opportunity to do something other than just play the rote chords!

[Reuben]

I am very much a midi file user rather than Styles. In fact I've gone one step further and added lyrics to all my SMF's as well as chord symbols that I can read on the screen. I like to have both hands free to play properly and I'm not very good at remembering all the chords and lyrics. I'm also not a lover of the repetitive nature of Styles.
I know to many arranger keyboard users that using midi's as opposed to styles is like cheating just a bit too much - but it depends on how you approach it. I always drop out the main instrument in the midi file so I have something meaningful to play and also sing so that I am still doing most of the live performing. Doing a good re-mix of the instruments and making sure that things like fade outs are eliminated are important as well. I have markers in some and they do work well for repeating sections.
Lets face it - any electronic instrument is a form of cheating - we are not really playing a Steinway or Nylon Guitar or Drums. What counts is a good sound with an acceptable level of input from the performer.

[chellinoolmo]

Not to derail the conversation, but do many of you use 'Songstyles' in preference to actual SMF's for a particular reason?

Most of them, from what I've heard, are SO specific to just the one tune that it seems hard to use them for anything else without it becoming easily apparent you are simply doing another tune to the EXACT same backing (and the Intros and Endings are the EXACT ones from that specific tune) as that specific song...

Wouldn't it be as good to use the SMF itself, and drop in Markers so that, if you want to restructure the tune as you go along (I imagine that this is what is often the need), you can use the Markers to jump back and forth within the song structure?

I seldom see this capability discussed here, and yet I think it is as groundbreaking a change to how you use SMF's as the Chord Sequencer is to how you use the arranger! No longer tied to starting at the beginning, going through the sequence the way it is and finishing when it tells you to, isn't that one of the reasons we use an arranger? To regain control...

But along come the Markers, and, without having to resort to songstyles, and still HAVING to play in the chords (even though, if doing that specific song, you aren't going to change them anyway!), you can still use the SMF of the song and still tell the sequence where you want to go. Want an extra solo? Want to jump back to Verse 1 because the crowd got on the dance-floor late? Markers!

While I appreciate all the effort that goes into making songstyles, perhaps it is easier to use the SMF and Markers to give yourself back the flexibility that we expect from the style...? And give your left hand the opportunity to do something other than just play the rote chords!

I use SMF as a base to create not only Song Styles, but also styles that are more universal; suitable for improvisation - with both hands. Universal styles are difficult to make, but not impossible.

It had clearly increased possibilities considerably using free markers, but as a Korg user you will have to use the workstation - I prefer software, which is much easier. This means that I will have to use Style Works, which is limited to fixed markers.

There is no doubt that the best way to create styles is to exploit the opportunities one workstation has; but then it will go terribly much time to create a single style.


Chello
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[Dikikeys]

Many DAW's (except, apparently Logic for the Mac) can place Markers into an SMF and the Korg will recognize them.

But it's pretty easy to add the Markers in the Korg too.