Custom Style, Fill triggering question

amit · Post by **amit** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:20 pm

All,
Have created a style to control a pc sequencer with notes set as trigger.
for example
var1: ch 10,
note c1
fill 1 note c#1
var2 D1
fill2 Eb1

all above are the first items on their respective measures.

.. etc.

Variations etc work however the fill ins skip or don't work

Is there something I am missing?
I have tried various cue options etc but they don't seem to do much either, however if i keep pressing (hold ) the var button the fill triggers.

i thought the fill part plays on its own once triggered, is there some thing else to it?

The Daw in Question is ableton Live and will like to use real audio drum loops for the backing. I can sync ableton fine with pa600 and also trigger the loops from my android tablet, however would like to do that from the style buttons themselves rather than an external device.

Nemik · Post by **Nemik** » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:32 pm

don't forgot arranger is not playing exactly what put in element.
is all depend how you set this up, Korg is changing notes.
As Fill, is almost impossible to play 1-st note , fills working different, they not wait, they fire when you press and play rest of notation and stop, unless you press twice, then they loop

What you try to do?
What you want trigger ?
Remember Korg sending notation from Pads too.

I'm dealing with multi controllers al the time + DAW, give me more details, maybe I can put you on right track.

amit · Post by **amit** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:53 am

Thanks Nemik,
I did not know that arranger does not play from the first note.

What I am trying is to launch ableton clips[loops] from the variation and fills buttons via MIDI triggering.

Nemik · Post by **Nemik** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:45 am

amit wrote:Thanks Nemik,
I did not know that arranger does not play from the first note.

Is playing from first note, all except fills and break

amit wrote:What I am trying is to launch ableton clips[loops] from the variation and fills buttons via MIDI triggering.

hmm, I have FCB1010 foot controller for things like this, but you need also somehow sync fills if they fire in the middle of variations too, unless you modify cue
from Pa600 manual page #44

Cue area
Cue mode for [Style element]
This parameter lets you decide how the current Style Element
will enter after it has been selected. This setting is only available
for the ‘Variation’ and ‘Fill’ Style Elements.
Immediate, first measure
The Style Element enters immediately, and begins
from the first measure. Only available on Fills.
Immediate, current measure
The Style Element enters immediately, and begins
from the current measure. Only available on Fills.
Next measure, first measure
The Style Element enters at the beginning of the
next measure, and begins from the first measure
of the new pattern. Available on both Fills and
Variations.
Next measure, current measure
The Style Element enters at the beginning of the
next measure, and begins from the current measure.
Only available on Variations.

amit · Post by **amit** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:57 am

Thanks Nemik,
I played a bit more and the results seem quite promising.
The Trick I have found to work is to insert the midi trigger (ableton live scene trigger) note at each beat (QN), thus even if it picks up from a random spot, it queues the fill launch in sync.

This Makes for a Killer Combo. With computer as a Dynamic Loop sampler/player that works and syncs along with other style elements and control on the keyboard.

tacman7 · Post by **tacman7** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:09 pm

So you want to trigger a wav file automatically from your style.

Never thought of that one.

I set up the DAW to change variations and fills as the song plays from the DAW using program changes.

Can the style play a pad? That would do the same as your setup right?

Nemik · Post by **Nemik** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:38 am

amit wrote:Thanks Nemik,
I played a bit more and the results seem quite promising.
The Trick I have found to work is to insert the midi trigger (ableton live scene trigger) note at each beat (QN), thus even if it picks up from a random spot, it queues the fill launch in sync.

This Makes for a Killer Combo. With computer as a Dynamic Loop sampler/player that works and syncs along with other style elements and control on the keyboard.

Last days I been messing around with DAW (Ableton Live), Launchpad and Pa600.
Using some crazy routing channels I did manage using Launchpad controlling DAW fire fiils, var and ..etc on Korg.(#CC)

Still working on some glitches, but I hope I will finish soon this project.
In other words I think now I can use Lanchpad to control DAW and Korg same time.
Also I'm testing on dynamic samples on DAW, like to figure out an easy way to control DAW samples (pitching) follow chord from Korg, which then make project universal, like extending Style support, unlimited style tracks

Let you know later on Status . :3dcool:

amit · Post by **amit** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:56 am

Sure, do post your findings,

eventually, i suspect I might need to write a small Midi Macro app that can translate input and send messages to two different ports.

like received Trigger1 event (keyboard, midi) :
send some sequence of messages (nrpn,PC, cc, note..)
to port 1 and some to port 2 as assigned. and use a virtual midi loop to send to any daw ports.