Kronos as master midi volume problem

[thegophoto]

I have an original Kronos that I am trying to use as a master keyboard to a Dave smith tetra as the slave. I am using it in combi mode and have the splits set up, the tetra is on midi Chanel 2. I am able to hear the tetra, but every time I switch from, say, set list to combi or change the combi preset, the volume of the tetra goes back to maximum. I have tried saving the combi at the correct volume on the Kronos, and tried saving it on the tetra, the volume still jumps to max. If anyone can help or has any ideas, that would be greatly appreciated.

[kronoSphere]

Maybe not the correct answer you are waiting for. But in this case I would put the combi in a sequencer and I would write an exclusive data on channel 2 concerning the volume you want and maybe also the correct MSB and LSB datas.

[RKfan]

You might want to check how the tetra is responding to volume messages.

I had a similar problem with my PRO-2 when I changed the volume slider to maximum in my DAW (Sonar X3) the Pro-2 was outputting at maximum volume irrespective of where the volume knob on the keyboard was. I think the PRO-2 chages master volume instead of patch volume. All other synths I have can have the slider up to maximum in the DAW but the max volume output depends on the volume knob on the machines themselves.

I was not able to resolve this with DSI (except always turn the DAW volume on any patches down quite low).

[black953mj]

Did you adjust the volume on channel 2 of the Combi on the Kronos? The Kronos transmits that volume level every time you select it so if the volume in the combi is set to max the Tetra will jump to max.

It doesn't matter if you adjust the volume on the Tetra using the volume knob that is physically on the Tetra, the Kronos won't pick that up. You have to use the Kronos to adjust the volume where you want it to be and save it.

If you don't want to do that you could filter out midi volume change messages from being sent from the Kronos on that channel, which would then require you to always use the knob on the Tetra.

Hope this helps!

[thegophoto]

Yeah, I have tried to get into any global settings within the tetra and change them, no luck there. This is really annoying. Tried the midi filters in the kronos, tried changing the global channel, etc. In theory, this would be a nice setup, but with the volume jumping to max every time I do anything on the Kronos, it's not usable live.

[thegophoto]

Reply to black953mj,
I have set the volume at about 30 (max127) within the kronos combi and saved the combi. When I change combis and come back to it, everything is at full volume despite what the kronos is set at(30). If I move the kronos slider for vol, then it controls the volume correctly, but initially the volume is still at max level.

[black953mj]

Ugh... I can only think of two other things:

1) There is another slot in the Combi transmitting on Midi channel 2.
2) On the Tetra: Is the Midi channel in the Global parameters set to ALL instead of 2?

Short of one of those I am stumped as well.

[thegophoto]

Checked both of those things right away too. Thanks for the effort though!!

[ak]

I am having the same issue when connecting the Breath Controller to Kronos. Each time you change a combi or program the Volume goes up to 127. I have suggested to Korg to make a global option where you select the CC7 or CC11 behavior to "KEEP Current" or "RESET (goes to 127)."

I am not sure if possible to implement the suggested new feature.

[chini]

To the OP…

First...A quick look at the Tetra midi spec tells me this is a four way multi-timbral synth. This means it will also have a global midi channel that one normally uses to receive patch changes on. It sounds to me like this is the culprit! The Tetra is changing it's volume according to the Kronos global midi channel instead of the channel 2 patch change you want it to respond to.
The same problem would occur with any other multi-timbral module if you don't set it up to respond to patch change correctly. You need to set the Tetra up so that it responds to patch change via its global midi channel that is different from the midi channels set up for each of its four timbres.

if you have already checked the above and still have the problem… Have you detached everything else from your system including any midi interface you may be using? The first thing to do is to see if the same anomaly occurs when connecting the Kronos directly to the Tetra..


If the Tetrthe above still reveals the same… Find yourself a way to view what data the Kronos is actually transmitting. That will at least tell you if it is something from the Kronos that is being sent extraneously or it is indeed an anomaly at how the Tetra reacts to CC7 (which I would be surprised at!)

Also which OS are you running on your Kronos? The latest version 3.04 has omitted some reset type midi data that kept on being sent out on patch change. This scenario you are currently experiencing is reminding me of a similar problem I had a while back that was rectified with the latest O.S.

Have a look at the Korg website for details on the OS 3.04 update and update your machine if you have not already done so.

[thegophoto]

Tetra is directly connected to the kronos, so no other midi messages are sending. I dont know when the last time I updated was, but I'm pretty sure it was when the version 3 came out, so I am probably behind and not updated to the newest version. I will try that and report back. Thanks to everyone who has responded, it's very helpful to have a great community like this for such a diverse and somewhat confusing (though spectacular) instrument.

[chini]

…. just thought I'd stress that I do expect it is actually the global midi channel on your Tetra itself that is causing the confusion. I mentioned the other things just in case. Midi issues can be confusing even to the most experienced users at times but usually there is a simple ex[planation for something not happening the way we want it too!