External midi automation in KRONOS sequencer.

spaceman3 · Post by **spaceman3** » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:58 pm

Been working with KRONOS external midi automation.
It is wierd that i have one song in KRONOS sequencer that shows external
midi instruments automation, but the rest of the KRONOS songs dont.
Must be something i did in that one song.
I will work on this tonight.
I wil post my findings soon.
I really thought i had this down.
Back to the drawing board,

SeedyLee · Post by **SeedyLee** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:32 am

Check the "Track Status": Automation will be shown for external instruments that are set to "BTH", but not "EXT" or "EX2".

spaceman3 · Post by **spaceman3** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:30 am

Hi SeedyLee,
I do have the track status set for BTH.
I cannot seperate KRONOS audio track sound from external midi sound when i use BTH.
The strange thing is i have one song that the external midi automation is showing up on KRONOS lcd, and working the way i need it to..
The song tracks set for BTH in that song are only playing the external midi synth sound like i want it to.
I created a template of that song and applied it to some of the other songs,and after resetting tempo, these songs automated properly, visualy, and tracks with BTH sounded just external midi like the template song.
I could just use the template song and my problem is solved, but i think i will try again to duplicate the conditions of the template song so everyone that uses external midi synths with KRONOS can have visuals of external midi automation.
I will do an A/B comparrison of template song and a song that isnt automating
properly.
If, in the next few days i cannot figure it out, i will offer the template song to
anyone that asks.

StephenKay · Post by **StephenKay** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:36 am

spaceman3 wrote:Hi SeedyLee,
I do have the track status set for BTH.
I cannot seperate KRONOS audio track sound from external midi sound when i use BTH.

You could if you set the Track/Timbre Key Zone for that timbre to 0/0 (lowest notes possible) - then the timbre will not play any incoming notes.

spaceman3 · Post by **spaceman3** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:51 am

Thank you very much Mr Kay.
Your info nails a solution.
KRONOS not recording its internal notes is a much better workaround.
I will try it in just a few hours.

spaceman3 · Post by **spaceman3** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:31 am

WOW!!!
Changing the track zone not to play KRONOS internal sound
solved the problem of seeing external midi track automation.
Thank you so much for this Mr Kay.
You are a genius!
It was one of those things i really needed KRONOS to do.
I feel like a dum dum not to have thought to do that, but i am very happy about the outcome.
And thanks to SeedyLee for making sure i was on the right track ( pardon the pun).
I am super excited about this.
Yes! KRONOS automation can display external midi instruments.
Now i can get back to making music.

spaceman3 · Post by **spaceman3** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:04 am

Just did a test with a test song that used about 50/50
of KRONOS tracks and MX49 midi tracks.
I added a alot more KRONOS internal tracks to audibly here the polyphony drop out.
Then i used Mr Kay"s note off solution on the external midi tracks.
The polyphony stopped dropping out when the KRONOS notes that were playing
were removed.
So not only did this solve my midi automation problem, it also gave me alot more polyphony when using external midi instruments.

spaceman3 · Post by **spaceman3** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:52 am

Hello Mr Kay,
Sorry to be a pest, but i figure you would be the man to ask.
One thing i noticed when having KRONOS internal sequencer notes off in key zone, is the track will not output KARMA to the external midi instrument.
Is there any kind of solution for this?
Many thanks.

StephenKay · Post by **StephenKay** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:30 pm

spaceman3 wrote:Hello Mr Kay,
Sorry to be a pest, but i figure you would be the man to ask.
One thing i noticed when having KRONOS internal sequencer notes off in key zone, is the track will not output KARMA to the external midi instrument.

Well, yeah.

That would be a side-effect of doing that. So I guess it's not a perfect solution.

spaceman3 · Post by **spaceman3** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:40 pm

Thank you Mr Kay for your reply,
It doesnt really matter if i cannot transmit KARMA out to external synth when using KRONOS this way.
I do not have any songs that require that.
I guess i just wanted to see how far i could take KRONOS.
The note off in key zones works like a charm.
Your help with this midi issue has saved me some headaches, and made my musical life easier.
Again, thank you very much.

spaceman3 · Post by **spaceman3** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:33 am

Sorry to keep this topic going, but i found a nice workaround solution to
recording KARMA output to external midi synth (MX49).
For tracks that i want just my MX49 to use KARMA i do the following.
First i made sure the track parameter was set for BTH.
Then i turned off the insert IFX in the track.
This allows me to have KARMAfied MX49 tracks in KRONOS sequencer.
And the sends below the IFX track will send amount of MX49s two master effects.
I do not think all the KARMA nuances get played back by the MX49, but it still yields cool results.
I probably wouldnt use MX49 for KARMA alot,as i prefer KRONOS internal sound engine for most KARMA stuff.
Some of the KARMA guitar strum effects would probably sound awesome using MX49 sound engine.
This setup works if you have external synth going into KRONOS stereo audio
inputs.
I dont know if it would work with other setups.
Just wanted to share this.
Midi is so awesome!!!