A.I. for predictive system navigation fill ins?

[19naia]

Auto correct and predictive text fill-ins are so common on smart phones and computers it seems it won't be long that something comes about that predicts your sequence of command inputs before you get them all input ,and just fills them for you, takes you there before you get ther on your own. Of course lightning fast processing and an open dialogue box with alternative command sequence options there ,just in case the predictive fillin was wrong.

A system on a synth workstation that analyzes your working pattern and uses that to predict where you want to go after your first two tab page selections. Maybe even after your first tab page selection. Maybe even as soon as you power up and boot up. Maybe read you body language and facial expressions, sum up your mood based on parameters it reads off your body vital signs. Maybe navigate you to Tempo and suggest a tempo rate to suit the parameters it summed up from your body language and vital signs. Maybe even suggest the type of sound per your condition.

Or more simpky, it keeps tabs on what order you do your edits in, what parameters you like to edit before the next. Maybe even take you to effects pages automatically once you finish on a parameter that you always tend to do just before adding effects.
And then always an open dialogue box as it does predictive navigation, a dialogue of other alternative courses or back track links, for what it could have missed or been mistaken about ,so you can just tap an option quickly and begin a new or corrected navigation course.
Seems far fetched or a slow down to work flow on the current system, but with lightning fast processors and hardware to make the navigation a breeze, it could end up moving you faster than you would manually, on a super fast system that can outpace the average user's rate of input.
Of course the auto or predictive navigation system will need to have a disable switch just in case it proves too smart for its own good, lick auto correct dogs.. See what i mean? "Like auto correct does", got turned into "Lick auto correct dog". Too smart for its own good.

Who knows what kind of A.I influence can come available one day to make a system-navigation aide like this come about and be smart enough to seem psychic.
I bet it would drive synthesizing to more creativity, in more ways than quick split and quick layer make creative layering with less time lag. Quicker navigation with suggestions along the way to prompt ideas based on past work you did or intuitive preset navigation courses.
Getting more tweaking done and doing it in ways and places you would have never gotten to in time enough to go through so many options.

Rather than dig up your next options, have them chase you after every input you make.

Already, as complex as Kronos is and likely only evolving to more complexity, an auto navigation system could have a mode within itself that has an navigation tour of the device that literally takes you on a dynamic navigation course page by page and mode by mode to have you interact with its parameter input prompts until it has you traverse every part of the maze for you know what is going on in every page Then switch it back to the predictive navigation mode where it watches you navigate and later makes suggestions and predictive navigation moves in anticipation of what it had learned of your work flow pattern.

Hmmm.

[psionic311]

OK, I'll bite.

KARMA must first be mentioned and thanked as one of the first major and successful precursors to an "intelligent" musical system that not only responds to but also *anticipates* what to do next. Stephen did this not only by a very thorough break down of what the MIDI spec allowed, but also by formally categorizing common musical motifs and techniques into a language that was machine understandable and executable. Its potential yet goes largely unrealized...

AI has been rolling along for a few decades, and only recently has really started to pick up steam. With natural language processing now commonplace (Siri, Alexa, Hey Google, Cortana), and coupled with huge global trends, its seems like the marketing system can now successfully anticipate our economic and cultural whims. For example, I get tons of ads for bass heads, bass cabs, synths, etc, simply because those are the kinds of sites I visit most, and therefore have the most financial interest in, and therefore get the most likely database-generated ads that are most likely to actually get my money.

General AI, using back-propagating neural nets, is now smart enough, with enough of *massive* database input in order to train itself, to learn and beat expert humans in several domains such as medical diagnosis, economic forecast, ads, Jeopardy, Atari, Go, etc. The AI community has been waiting for this moment for a long while now.

But I don't think we'll see much of a successful creative general AI in our lifetimes. KARMA already is at least as advanced and fruitful as compared to any any other given algorithmic music system can create, and yet its potential goes largely unrealized. It's not more technical acumen that we need, it's more what groups of people relate to (the music when I was 20 something!)...

Humans and human subcultures are too finicky and semantically alliterative and *subtle* that artificially generated art in all but the most vapid and empty art forms (pop, classic house, arpeggiated loops) won't pass the smell test. Ditto with human-like robots and androids that don't quite get past the *uncanny valley*...

Besides, I would bet that music we artists create on the Kronos or any other contemporary music system is more personal, more publicly nostalgic, more immediately artistically satisfying than any computer algorigthm can produce within the next century, in my estimation. (At least I would hope...)

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Then again, I'm judging from within the context of my largely human-generated cultural background. The next few generations may very well be more comfortable and indoctrinated towards machine algorithms rather than our quaint, old, human traditions... Or both... or more...

[19naia]

I agree about no AI taking over the actual music creativity part. I love what Karma does as it doesn't take from my keyboard playing, it adds like a band mate would, but in ways i have yet to see a real live band mate live up to.

Any way, not looking for more ways to leave musicianship up to the machine.
The playing and creativity in music performance is the whole point for me and vital to my human development and staying sharp beyond my years.
That would be the final stage of robot/computers taking over the musician's job, if AI did the music making. They(robots) are coming for your job, your hobbies and your wife or husband. We will all be on the streets panhandling for change from robots, but of course only robot owners will have money but they never will be on the streets, whenrobots do the street errands for them.

Any way, thats why i imagined only having advanced AI in the system Navigation. Let it aide navigation to the various parameter pages and suggest intelligent options, but the performer determines all the tweaking to define the sound, make the mix and make a performance out of the musician's composition.
No AI composing, but someone is already trying to get that up and selling already anyway.

[fomalhaut]

You bring a valid and interesante point, 19naia.

I don't see a predictive navigation can easily be achieved on the Kronos interface --obviously text input could be implemented, but how many mobile application do you know that try to predict your interaction beyond the built-in autocomplete fields? It's a tough bone, although the technology should be there, something like the "Suggested Apps" from iOS, etc.

But why stop here, why not voice navigation? I could hit a pedal switch and say "go to Track 1" and it would take me to the sequencer mode, selecting track #1. Or tell the Kronos: "Undo last recording", or "Play song", or "Start recording", or... whatever. Of course these are actions that take just the press of a button or two, but one could imagine other voice commands for deeper options.

Or why not connect the thing to the cloud, a la Korg Gadget. Wouldn't it be useful to store all your settings, combis, songs, even samples --bandwith permitting-- in the Korg Cloud, sharing them with other users, and allowing you to restore those settings on any Korg Kronos in the world... I would gladly pay some kind of subscription for that.

Well, that beast wouldn't be a Korg Kronos anymore, would it be?

In fact I think it would be called "an iPad", and that's why I don't think these super-cool features won't be happening any soon. You need quite a lot of things to do to build stuff like that: from infrastructure, to R&D costs... Don't think that Korg --or any other musical instrument maker for the matter-- has the financial muscle to pull that. Even the hardware itself but be more expensive... so you would probably sell less workstations... it's a cut-throat market after all, Roland & Yamaha are not there anymore, imho.

And what is more, if you were a korg product engineer and were told that you convinced your bosses to build the product on a more powerful hardware... would you implement these features or would you prefer to develop more synth engines with better modelling & better sampling, etc?

[19naia]

More synth engines with better modelling and sampling is my first choice too, but with added synth engines and even added parameters among features, you still end up with added navigation routine to get around the beast. The last software update added a few navigation pages. And it wasn't the first time or the last. It will add up to a critical point where an already difficult to learn system gets a whole lot more expansive.

The whole idea about A.I style auto navigation and suggestive navigation came to mind when i considered the jump in features and navigation complexities going from triton all the way up to Kronos.
And one thing for sure is that kronos fans are all for next generations going even further in added features and navigation pages.
And it adds up to being possibly more integrated than DAW/VST despite being less powerful and expandable than computer based workstations.
And with all that integration of all the features as one system such as Kronos rather than a DAW/VST with a bazaar of various makes and models of plug-ins, an A.I style navigation aide on a super evolved Korg flagship WS would not be so confounded like it would on a powerful computer with randomly selected makes of unrelated plugins with each its own navigation layout. Maybe affordable hardware power would be an issue for Korg as you said, but maybe, where evolution is concerned.

The more the feautures and related navigation pages pile up, the more of a maze of navigation it will be, and then i see it becoming necessary to have a smart navigation aide similar to how you enter something to a WWW search engine and it automatically brings up a long list of stuff related and stuff dynamically connected to your past search routines.
Kronos has the help button that gives a quick operation manual view and the help button only calls up the operation manual parts related to what screen you have open. Now imagine an auto system that notes what screen you opened, and the parameters you adjusted as well as keeps a history of your navigation routines and prompts your future navigation moves with auto suggestion or predicts your navigation moves and takes you a step ahead of yourself but with intelligence based on a continuosly compiled history of your navigation routines. Also a beginners navigation interactive auto tour such as a help button option that actually takes you to pages and makes you interact and prompts you forward as you interact with it as a beginner having the machine guide you in how to operate it, rather than reading the operation guide and watching videos. Sometimes i watch the videos and read the manuals, but then between the smoke clearing out of the room and making it to the workstation to try it all out, the bottom falls out of my short term memory and i forgot what i read and watched about the workstation operation.

Search engines do this smart guide already in their own navigation context and it is obvious the WWW is far more complex a navigation scheme than a Kronos evolved to even double the features and navigation pages kronos has now.
At some point it will only be practical to have WWW. search engine type intelligence behind navigation on workstations, when they get packeed to the max with all the hardware and features we are waiting for.
My navigation on WWW. is limited to what i can enter to search for, which is limited to what i know to look for. But as it stands, my search options are opened to far beyond my intelligence because the A.I. behind the search engine sees what i search for and throws out many more subjects related to to the tiny input i gave it. I end up exposed to or learning more than i knew to search for on WWW.
Thats needed on super advanced workstations as they evolve to be more complex and the powerful hardware becomes available to make it happen, and of course cost effectively.
Maybe it isn't feasible if it turns out search engines like google use A.I that is based on quantum computing. Or maybe it isn't that complicated for an advanced workstation's A.I. Maybe it could be as simple as a korg website that has a search engine style navigation aide over WWW, that we plug kronos or its future replacements into and it reads our input on the workstation and sends back predictive navigation and navigation suggestions over USB.
~If not possible on the workstation iteself, maybe a computer app or website that the workstation can interface with for A.I feedback.~

[SanderXpander]

The more complex engines actually already show shortcuts to important sections on the home screen. I'm pretty sure they're adaptive in that they show the sections that have something interesting going on.

[BobTheDog]

I'd like something that predicted what I wanted to play and played it for me while I sipped beer.