full midi control of deep parameters if radias etc

[Metal10k]

Ok heres what im trying to do. Ive been looking around, and am quite tempted to get myself a novation xiosynth or x station as a glorified toy/midi usb controller. My biggest snag with radias, or even the EDS engine is the lack of hands on control. Yes the touch screen is good but its still a tedious way to edit in comparison to a panel full of shiny buttons and knobs :p

What i want to know is if there is a full implementation chart anywhere that i can use to program said xiosynth or other midi controller to do literally EVERYTHING on radias through nrpns. I found something like this in the manual but as far as i can see it only applies to EDS. That, and its the most confusing irrational laid out thing i have seen.

Id like to have the most important editing controlls fully mapped out between the m3 TA page, RTC page, and of course my external midi controller. Parameters i mean: oscillator freq, levels, lfo control, envelopes, filters, fx, etc. All i really need is an extensive list of editing parameters, along with their RPN or NRPN values.

Has anyone else ever tried anything like this and if so is there any useful advice on this? Also do any propper radias users know if you can control exb-radias in the m3 with the controls on the radias rack?

Also a final point, more of a wishlist really, but when editing the m3, it would be really really nice to have the parameters temporarily mapped to specific controls on the control surface. For example, if i am looking at the filter page in edit mode, itd be nice to have filter 1, freq, reso, eg int, tracking etc on 1-4 thhen filter 2 on 5-8 saym with buttons controlling or toggling relevant stuff (some kind of standard would be needed). Then if i go to the sequencer page, i can edit the whole of the top row at once with the faders. This would be a million times faster and would prevent all that faffing around with the data entry wheel and slider. When you exit edit mode (and go back to a main page) your controls can revert back to their propper functions. Maybe all lights could go off or all the lights could flash in sequence to tell you that your in program edit mode, which is dependant on what your editing.

[permofryed]

I really wish someone had the answer to this. For the most part you asked the exact question I am trying to find an answer for. I agree....no hands on control is a major limitation. If I had a way to easily control the EXB-Radias I would reach for it a lot more often.

[mbncp]

That's easy ...

You need to create a little app that will convert the data from a program dump (make a dump request when ever you detect a patch change) into an 8 bit memory dump.
You need to do that as there is no way to get a dump from a single parameter, unless you change it on the M3.
From there you will be able to update your controller by converting these values to CC or NRPN.

Then, when ever you make a change from the controller, send the appropriate sysex to the M3 (converting this time CC/NRPN to sysex).
Best is to monitor the sysex from the M3 as well, this way you can edit either on the M3 or on your controller.

On the korg site there is a full documentation of the different dumps (progs,combis,..) as well as a cross list to each parameters sysex value (for receiving, sending single param data).


In case you don't need to have your controller show the actual values (starting from scrach) it's easier, as you just need to convert from CC/NRPN to sysex. I think you could do it with something like MIDi-OX.
Off course, if your controller supports sysex messages, it's even easier, though I don't know many that do so.